In Debt we Trust

JesasaurusRex

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eh, i have a $100 medical debt in collections that i tried to pay, twice, (before it was in collections) to my drs office. Tried to pay as in, don't i owe you money for such and such visit? "no, you don't owe anything. " Never a bill in the mail, never a phone call (even from the collections people, probably not enough money). Checked my credit report one day and there it was.

Probably not the only horror story like this, but i bet it happens frequent enough to where those percentages don't mean as much as they look like they do.
 

budman

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Credit is consuming.

Medical care I get. That is not a huge chunk of that debt I bet, despite how the article is written.

I was crushed in debt at 31yo. Took 10 years to dig out and re-correct my path. Living ain’t easy.
 

littlebeast

get it while it's easy
my SO has always been a vehement anti-debt advocate. he demands a household budget that is not only balanced, but requires that we live well below our means. i rebelled against that at first, but after many years, i have come to appreciate the peace of mind that having a financial cushion affords. he's always been smarter than me about such things. and i'm smarter than him about others lol.
 

jt2

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eh, i have a $100 medical debt in collections that i tried to pay, twice, (before it was in collections) to my drs office. Tried to pay as in, don't i owe you money for such and such visit? "no, you don't owe anything. " Never a bill in the mail, never a phone call (even from the collections people, probably not enough money). Checked my credit report one day and there it was.

Probably not the only horror story like this, but i bet it happens frequent enough to where those percentages don't mean as much as they look like they do.

I suspect you're right on the last part to some degree.

The Doctor's office probably doesn't have any (current) record of the debt because they (or their billing service) sold the debt to an agency. Odd that they didn't contact you though.

If you can't figure out who is holding the paper, I'd suggest challenging the entry with the credit agencies.
 

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Credit is consuming.

Medical care I get. That is not a huge chunk of that debt I bet, despite how the article is written.

I was crushed in debt at 31yo. Took 10 years to dig out and re-correct my path. Living ain’t easy.

What would you have done differently if you had a chance to turn back the clock?

We spend more money (and earn less money) when we are younger -- furniture, clothes, travel/entertainment, automobile, Motorcycles! --than when we are settled in at a later age.
 
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gnahc79

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my SO has always been a vehement anti-debt advocate. he demands a household budget that is not only balanced, but requires that we live well below our means. i rebelled against that at first, but after many years, i have come to appreciate the peace of mind that having a financial cushion affords. he's always been smarter than me about such things. and i'm smarter than him about others lol.
The mrs and I decided at the beginning of the year to move in the direction of being debt free, including the house. We did not have a crushing amount debt to begin with, some money owed to the MIL for a new A/C from a while back, our car, a tempurpedic bed, and our house (already on a 15yr loan). We went debit/cash only and track every purchase. It is very freeing to have a cushion for oh crap moments...like when I had to pay a $500 deductible for a car repair (flying debris smashed a headlight and then some), $300 to fix the AC, and $1300 for taking our dog to the ER (he died :()...all within a week or so. That would have sunk us last year. We still get to have a Christmas because we saved each month for a year for our "Christmas budget". It was a learning process, but it's totally worth it.


There's several factors in the overall crushing amount of debt for the avg American as outlined here

Before you can save money, you actually have to earn a decent paycheck. But the growth in hourly compensation ground to a halt in the 1970s, and has barely budged upwards since.
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Over the same time period that paychecks stagnated, the pricetags for things like health care, child care, and college educations all shot up much faster than inflation. The same is true for homes in the geographic areas where jobs are still available these days (i.e. big cities) — the price of housing and rent went through the roof.
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However that is not everyone's scenario. A good chunk of Americans go into debt from spending too dang much and are able to spend less than what they make. They just choose not to do so. Changing that behavior is tough, but necessary. It's all going to look grim once all of us are older and no longer earning income :(.
 

afm199

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The one thing I got from my parents ( they both graduated high school at the start of the Great Depression, my dad in 1929, was to avoid debt. They considered it almost evil.

The only serious debt I have had in my life was my mortgage, which I double up on paying off. Credit cards get paid off monthly. The only time I carried consumer debt was early when I used a couple of installment plans to build credit instead of buying outright.

It's a very unusual year if I pay $100 in interest, total.

I'll buy a car this year. I'll pay cash for it, and make payments to the bank account until it's "paid off."

And the thing I see so many young people doing today is the plastic mistake. Buy everything with a piece of plastic, including lunch and latte every day. That's always shocked me. Spend a measly $10 daily for lunch and a latte, and you're going to spend over $2,000 a year. And yet the fact that it's done daily means that somehow it's ok. So people who would never frivolously spend $2k do it nonetheless and aren't even aware of it.

The little things add up so quickly.

Combine that with the horror of Bay Area rents and living costs, and it's too easy to go into increasing debt, like my friends in Piedmont with the $1.5 million house who owe $60k in credit card debt. And can't seem to get out from under.
 

JesasaurusRex

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I suspect you're right on the last part to some degree.

The Doctor's office probably doesn't have any (current) record of the debt because they (or their billing service) sold the debt to an agency. Odd that they didn't contact you though.

If you can't figure out who is holding the paper, I'd suggest challenging the entry with the credit agencies.
I knew who held it as soon as i saw it on my report. Dr office just said sorry, but too late at that point. Even kicked us out of the practice because it was policy for anyone who "doesn't pay their bill"

I about came unglued

Anyways, i wound up calling the debt holder once and told them id pay to delete. They told me theyd just mark the acct as paid. I told them to get fucked. Maybe ill try again here, it's been a few months.
 

Smash Allen

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I bought my bike, my house, and the last two years of my college degree with credit.

My bike is the only depreciating asset I will buy on credit and was only to build history. Oh and I’m impulsive and impatient:laughing
 

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The mrs and I decided at the beginning of the year to move in the direction of being debt free, including the house. We did not have a crushing amount debt to begin with, some money owed to the MIL for a new A/C from a while back, our car, a tempurpedic bed, and our house (already on a 15yr loan). ... $1300 for taking our dog to the ER (he died :()...all within a week or so. That would have sunk us last year.

Yeah, shit happens. And expenses rack up easily when you've had a healthy pet that suddenly deteriorates before your eyes. It requires discipline to sock money away and discipline to not spend.

Just out of curiosity, how much did you spend on that bed? The last mattress and box spring I bought I shopped at what was called Sleep Train. I bought the one that I liked the most, i didn't care about the price because the quality of sleep matters a lot to me.
 

rsrider

47% parasite 53% ahole
need moar stuff................

Zero debt for me, but when I did have to go to the hospital, I had excellent medical insurance. Now, not so much.

If the article was pushing for universal health care, that's fine with me. I'm tired of propping up the military/industrial complex, and getting nothing in return for it. Absolutely nothing do we get from this war without end. The rich have scammed the system, indoctrinated the stupid, and are driving our society over a cliff.
 

gnahc79

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Yeah, shit happens. And expenses rack up easily when you've had a healthy pet that suddenly deteriorates before your eyes. It requires discipline to sock money away and discipline to not spend.

Just out of curiosity, how much did you spend on that bed? The last mattress and box spring I bought I shopped at what was called Sleep Train. I bought the one that I liked the most, i didn't care about the price because the quality of sleep matters a lot to me.

I think we spent ~$7K, which included the adjustable base and mattress. We paid off the entire balance of the bed pretty early on this year.
 

Smash Allen

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Holy cow my $1000 Leesa is amazing and I won’t spend more than that. I figure five years of use is around $17/month which is a lot in my opinion :party
 

JesasaurusRex

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ya i think my mattress was $1400 or so. The $3000 plus mattresses weren't significantly more comfortable to justify the price increase.
 

Schnellbandit

I see 4 lights!
When you dig into your wallet and pull out that cash or CC to buy something you want instead of something you need, it isn't some big corporation or anyone else making you do that, you own that behavior. Sometimes it does take that SO who helps the living below the means to keep things to stick. That is what it took for me but in a very short time living anyway we wanted was just for the asking.

We can't tax our way out of debt nor keep telling ourselves that everything is a necessity. If all we do is blame spending in one area so that we can spend in another, nothing will change. Those in control of spending have a SO, the trick is getting the spenders to listen.
 

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Holy cow my $1000 Leesa is amazing and I won’t spend more than that. I figure five years of use is around $17/month which is a lot in my opinion :party

I have noticed Leesa's commercials on tv recently. I would definitely go to a showroom if they had one in my area when shopping for my next mattress. I have not had any luck ordering online for clothes yet so I would be reluctant to order something as big as a mattress and not have anyone haul away the old one.




ya i think my mattress was $1400 or so. The $3000 plus mattresses weren't significantly more comfortable to justify the price increase.
I had never owned a $1K mattress before, only those that were priced below $1K. I noticed that the beds in better hotels made so much of a difference on my enjoyment of sleeping, hanging out on the bed before going to sleep and getting better quality sleep that I took a dive into one of the Simmons Beautyrests back in 2014 and I never regretted it. I have always bought brand names Simmons/Serta/Sealy.



I don't want to hijack this thread about debt being under collections. The 2 users who have posted about mattresses definitely can afford more expensive mattresses. I am sure someone can relate/justify to buying a brand new BMW bike for $13K. It is just a difference in priorities.
 
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gt3x24x7

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Shit, all of my current combined debt between student loans, car loan, and retail debt is over $40k at age 23. $10,000 in student loans so far, $10,000 for medical, $10,000 for car and rest credit cards also used on education expenses lolol

In debt we trust! The United States of Debtmerica! Luckily I'm studying to be an engineer in college. Sure it'll take me 3-5 years to finish my education but the long-term increase in salary and benefits will easily pay for everything for an entire lifetime.
 
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