I hope this doesn't get lost: Quotas

KrustyKruser

KrustyKruser

El Chingon
I see that there is no federal mandate to prevent this quota expectation. I can only hope that the rulings from the Los Angeles quota lawsuit could be pushed further to include the feds. I hate for the officers to lose their discretion in each case.
 
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packnrat

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proves the law has nothing to do with stopping crime.
and is only ment to be a revnue generating maching.


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Butch

Butch

poseur
Staff member
Goodness. Something of value from PEER. Karen Schambaugh, you know. Or should know of. Closure to OHV queen.

Wow.
 
dravnx

dravnx

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Jeez, thats less then one every three days. I sure hope they're writing more then that.
 
dtrides

dtrides

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My last ticket was from a Park Ranger for doing a death-defiying 48 in a 45 zone on Hwy 9.
At the end of last summer the Forest Service was using radar out in the middle of nowhere on Hwy 36 up here.
Think about that next time you are enjoying the road and you speed slips past the posted limit by a couple of mph ..
Sad days indeed:(.
DT
 
dravnx

dravnx

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brichter said:
How many should they be writing?
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I've been on enough fed land to see the litter, drunks, parking in the middle of the road to take a picture tourists, speeding, unsafe driving, feeding or harassing the wildlife, cutting trees around the campsite, poaching, vandalism, to know whatever they are doing is not enough. Too many people suck and don't know how to behave in a civilized manner. They need to be controlled and how do we do that is by enforcement of our laws. Like lots of agencys, there is not enough funding to actually do what they need to do. We all want parks, nature preserves and open spaces but don't want to pay to have them staffed or maintained.
One ticket every three days, that's not near enough. Of course, there are lots of stories of people getting a ticket for going 2 over the limit but they are still over the limit. I've never gotten one but if I did, I would remind myself of the gazillions of times I didn't get caught going significantly over the limit.
 
dtrides

dtrides

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dravnx said:
I've been on enough fed land to see the litter, drunks, parking in the middle of the road to take a picture tourists, speeding, unsafe driving, feeding or harassing the wildlife, cutting trees around the campsite, poaching, vandalism, to know whatever they are doing is not enough. Too many people suck and don't know how to behave in a civilized manner. They need to be controlled and how do we do that is by enforcement of our laws. Like lots of agencys, there is not enough funding to actually do what they need to do. We all want parks, nature preserves and open spaces but don't want to pay to have them staffed or maintained.
One ticket every three days, that's not near enough. Of course, there are lots of stories of people getting a ticket for going 2 over the limit but they are still over the limit. I've never gotten one but if I did, I would remind myself of the gazillions of times I didn't get caught going significantly over the limit.
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Jeff, that should be their every day duties taking care of park land. Being forced to fill a quota is a whole other thing and will have them out of the parks and on the roads to make sure they make their #'s.
DT
 
brichter

brichter

Spun out freakshow
dravnx said:
I've been on enough fed land to see the litter, drunks, parking in the middle of the road to take a picture tourists, speeding, unsafe driving, feeding or harassing the wildlife, cutting trees around the campsite, poaching, vandalism, to know whatever they are doing is not enough. Too many people suck and don't know how to behave in a civilized manner. They need to be controlled and how do we do that is by enforcement of our laws. Like lots of agencys, there is not enough funding to actually do what they need to do. We all want parks, nature preserves and open spaces but don't want to pay to have them staffed or maintained.
One ticket every three days, that's not near enough. Of course, there are lots of stories of people getting a ticket for going 2 over the limit but they are still over the limit. I've never gotten one but if I did, I would remind myself of the gazillions of times I didn't get caught going significantly over the limit.
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I've been in many federal parks all over the country over half a century, and 90+% of them don't have these issues you mention. Yes, some do (Glamis comes to mind), but most don't. Demanding that every single ranger in the whole country write 3 tickets a day is fookin' ridiculous. The only way that's going to happen is if they start making up violations.
 
dravnx

dravnx

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brichter said:
I've been in many federal parks all over the country over half a century, and 90+% of them don't have these issues you mention. Yes, some do (Glamis comes to mind), but most don't. Demanding that every single ranger in the whole country write 3 tickets a day is fookin' ridiculous. The only way that's going to happen is if they start making up violations.
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That's one ticket every three days. If quotas were legal, that's not much of a burden.
 
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packnrat

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the big problem i see is park rangers harassing you over a little thing. (like having fun), easy tickets.
while felons do there thing freely.

tickets = revenue. not protection.
or arresting a criminal. (aka: garbage dumper, poacher, wood thief, etc)
 
superhypered

superhypered

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So I have a complaint about my journey to Hollister Hills last night that I believe relates to this. If not, I would like to have some clarification on wtf happened in my experience.

I was planning on getting there much earlier in the day, but life happened so I didn't get there until a little bit after 7:30PM. After chatting with the ranger at the station and paying my dues, I make my way down the road when I notice what looks like a side by side based on the mounted lights, flying down lower field return.

Upon driving up towards the entrance to lower field trail, I notice it's the ranger SUV (law enforcement), and he waits for me to go by and immediately gets behind me with his brights on all the way down following me into Bee camp, still blinding me so I can't see where I am going or see where my buddy is camped out at, so I stop and get out and so does the ranger.

At this point I'm just annoyed about what's going on, and before he can get a word in I ask why he had his brights on me the entire time, and he claimed that they were not on at all, yet his lights cast my truck's shadow down the entire road the whole time.

He never turned his red and blues onto me, but he starts off with, "The reason why I stopped you was because your third brake light and license plates lights are out."

My truck is a 1990 Chevy truck, it doesn't have a third brake light, but my license plate lights are red, which he tells me they should be white and is a ticketable offense, but that was pretty much the end of it and he turned around and head towards Madrone camp.

I don't understand why he tried to single me out like that, despite some of these campgrounds get super loud, blasting music, yelling, firecrackers, generators well past 11PM, yet he is trying to get me for a 3rd brake light and license plate lights? WTF is all I have to say to that. :thumbdown
 
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