How would you change the world? (no politics)
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W800
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OMG - now I actually have to think instead of post platitudes. Curse you!!!
^^ That was original question.
^^ That was one answer.
^^ That was me trying to figure out which of my three assertions was being referred to.
^^ That resulted in me going slightly off topic and explaining why I think that social media influences thought (and thought, action).
I agree with this. I should have clarified what I meant by thought. It's my position that conscious thought is the result of unconscious thought. Kind of like how the ID (Freud) or the shadow (Jung) might influence thought, then action.
LOL, they cannot cannot - otherwise we would actually be the robots.
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Example - and this is from some work that Edward Bernays did with the folks who made Betty Crocker cake mix in the 1950's. The company was not getting the sales that it expected. They convened some focus groups (which was a Bernays invention). The women (since women did most baking back in the 1950's) said they didn't feel like they were putting enough of "themselves" into the mix when they made it for their families.
It was just sugar, powdered egg, powdered milk, some flavorings, and flour. It was too easy. Bernays suggested to General Mills (or whomever) that they take out SOME of the powdered egg and make the recipe to where you have to put in a single real egg.
That's basically hard-core, once you see what he did. He knew from Sigmund Freud (a close relative) that people will do things from unconscious desires. He made the mix so that women were putting part of themselves, metaphorically - into it.
Sales took off after this. Only people in the marketing and PR professions even know about this kind of stuff, BTW. It's a dark art. That's again why the guy who basically invented G4W (Generation IV Warfare, Mindwar) was also the founder of Temple of Set (which was an offshoot from Church of Satan). And by dark, I don't mean evil. Rather, I mean amoral.
https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/michael-aquino/
Now realize that egg thing was over 70 years ago. It's basically that level of manipulation, times about a million, IMHO - now. The best defense against this kind of stuff is realizing that it's real, and that people make money from it.
ETA: hopefully I stayed on topic! I get diverted. Please let me know if that's responsive to the questions or points that have been raised, etc. . .
^^ That was original question.
^^ That was one answer.
^^ That was me trying to figure out which of my three assertions was being referred to.
^^ That resulted in me going slightly off topic and explaining why I think that social media influences thought (and thought, action).
I agree with this. I should have clarified what I meant by thought. It's my position that conscious thought is the result of unconscious thought. Kind of like how the ID (Freud) or the shadow (Jung) might influence thought, then action.
LOL, they cannot cannot - otherwise we would actually be the robots.
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Example - and this is from some work that Edward Bernays did with the folks who made Betty Crocker cake mix in the 1950's. The company was not getting the sales that it expected. They convened some focus groups (which was a Bernays invention). The women (since women did most baking back in the 1950's) said they didn't feel like they were putting enough of "themselves" into the mix when they made it for their families.
It was just sugar, powdered egg, powdered milk, some flavorings, and flour. It was too easy. Bernays suggested to General Mills (or whomever) that they take out SOME of the powdered egg and make the recipe to where you have to put in a single real egg.
That's basically hard-core, once you see what he did. He knew from Sigmund Freud (a close relative) that people will do things from unconscious desires. He made the mix so that women were putting part of themselves, metaphorically - into it.
Sales took off after this. Only people in the marketing and PR professions even know about this kind of stuff, BTW. It's a dark art. That's again why the guy who basically invented G4W (Generation IV Warfare, Mindwar) was also the founder of Temple of Set (which was an offshoot from Church of Satan). And by dark, I don't mean evil. Rather, I mean amoral.
https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/michael-aquino/
Now realize that egg thing was over 70 years ago. It's basically that level of manipulation, times about a million, IMHO - now. The best defense against this kind of stuff is realizing that it's real, and that people make money from it.
ETA: hopefully I stayed on topic! I get diverted. Please let me know if that's responsive to the questions or points that have been raised, etc. . .
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Eldritch
is insensitive
I was going to suggest your implied reference to the id and pressure from the superego, but figured we wouldn't get that pedantic. :laughing
W800
Noob
ROFL - I think going pedantic is fair now, since I am generally the one doing it first!!!
I'm just glad that I have been able to ethically monetize what I somewhat know. That being said, I do like learning new things. Right now I am listening to a lot of Chris Hedges interviews and lectures. His view of things is interesting.
One of his points is that our social bonds have degraded. He also doesn't think that "a leader" will fix us. Each person needs to become the change. Which interestingly, is what I have maintained.
As an aside, I think that the best way to learn new things is to listen to people that one may not entirely agree with.
W800
Noob
Hmmm. . .
I had not thought about it that way. I think what happened was that the conversation went down a rabbit hole when we got on this topic (media).
But since you mention it - it does make sense to me that people who are aware of how we are manipulated by media would make more compassionate choices. For example:
https://journalistsresource.org/stu...ropaganda-conflict-evidence-rwandan-genocide/
And that was BEFORE social media.
But this is not new, it's been known since before Roman times that "bread and circuses" (spectacle) could manipulate people. It just keeps getting more "refined."
But part of its power is that people are not aware of it.
ETA: Like Chris Hedges, and Glen Greenwald, Matt Taibbi is another person who is good at explaining media.
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Eldritch
is insensitive
W800
Noob
https://www.thesocialdilemma.com/
I think everything goes in large repeating cycles (that Taoism crap again). So I think things will get worse, then better, then worse, etc. . .
Problem is that in previous cycles, we didn't have the power to actually destroy the Earth itself. It was just societies that collapsed. Now we can nuke the Earth into fucking glass. Or slowly heat it into an infernal and eternal sauna. Take your pick. . .
youtu.be/rHcmnowjfrQ
If there's a way out, it will be something akin to spiritual. Not religion per se. More like a slight realignment of how people see their own human folk. As I mentioned in a previous post, just like how death can spread via social media, so can life. If this life thing happens, the strange thing is that we won't be aware of it. It will just happen.
Sorry for strange thoughts. Sometimes I can't express in words what I am seeing in my messed up head.
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Eldritch
is insensitive
I mean, the Soviet/Nuclear/Pre-Internet Era was a completely different Cycle than we are in Now.
You get that right? People born in that post Nuclear threat digital native cycle have kids in Grade School now.
We're old as fuck, son.
W800
Noob
LOL - it's worse now, since there's no MAD factor that kept the two powers from "popping the trunk." Now a bunch of even crazier countries got the big gats.
youtu.be/np3pU-dLok4
When Felix Mitchell ran the Oakland drug trade, violence went down. When he was stabbed (I think it was 14 times) in prison, there were drug wars among his lieutenants. Violence went up because order went down. BTW, this is why large drug lords are sometimes allowed to operate. Low murder rates are good for politicians. High drug death rates don't get the same headlines. . .
DannoXYZ
Well-known member
i can't wait for day self-driving cars remove idiots from roads...
https://www.intheknow.com/2020/11/06/delivery-warehouse-china-operated-by-robots/
https://www.intheknow.com/2020/11/06/delivery-warehouse-china-operated-by-robots/
Eldritch
is insensitive
Well, eventually manual driving by humans will be outlawed as unsafe, but I hope not to live to that day. At the current technological rate of progress, and my current age, I reckon it will be a race.
W800
Noob
Yup. "Progress," lol. . .