how to start protecting people

packnrat

Well-known member
the french are the but of surrender jokes, but now cause of all the muslams out murdering people of "other" faiths in France they have banned "sunbathers"? in burkas... how does one sunbath if all covered up?

and why does the writer have to say up front that the police are armed? all police should have guns on them.



and for you al screaming for a link here it is. with pictures even.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...e-beach/ar-BBvYpQb?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp



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France has not banned Burkinis.

Several towns/municipalities IN France have.

It's "Muslims", not "muslams".

The people in the Burkinis are going to the beach to enjoy it, while living in the rules of their religion. No one is calling them sunbathers, except you. Regarldless, if someone wants to sunbathe in a habit, pair of Levis and latex socks, that's their business.

The author brings up the police being armed to create drama.
 

latindane

Learner. EuroPW, NaPS
That is bizarre. I guess the message they are trying to put out is "assimilate, or leave". I doubt that is the right way to deal with the issue of religion/culture-based terrorism.

Agree, the "armed" comment is probably there just for "gasp" factor.
 

Climber

Well-known member
There is no easy solution to the kind of problem that is happening in France and other nations in Europe.

On one hand, you have people who hate the culture of the country they are living in, so they join other like-minded people and commit acts of terrorism.

On the other hand, larger groups of people don't like the acts of terrorism happening in their country, nor do they particularly like the people who dress different, worship different and talk different than themselves. When some members of that other culture commit terrorist acts they blame the whole community which them creates more of the first group.

Part of the core problem is when people move into a country, but they don't want to become part of that country but rather form communities where they try to retain all of their culture and ways while still living in the other country. By rejecting everything of the people who already live in that country, they are creating an environment where they will be viewed differently and not necessarily positively and at the same time they are also creating an environment where there will be resentment going in both directions.

I think that there would be fewer problems if people moving into a country make more of an effort to become part of that country rather than trying to create enclaves of their own within that country. By accepting that they are part of that country and want to be a part of that country and community, there would be less friction on both sides. This doesn't mean giving up their religion and beliefs, but to also respect that there are positives of the country that they have moved into and to accept that they will have to change themselves to become part of that community and country.

My :2cents
 

SFSV650

The Slowest Sprotbike™
Part of the core problem is when people move into a country, but they don't want to become part of that country but rather form communities where they try to retain all of their culture and ways while still living in the other country. By rejecting everything of the people who already live in that country, they are creating an environment where they will be viewed differently and not necessarily positively and at the same time they are also creating an environment where there will be resentment going in both directions.

History suggests that scenario doesn't always work out in favor of the incumbents.
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Corb

Banned
The burka and the burkini are not Islam. No where in the koran does it say women should cover themselves in a burka.
Lets be very clear. This is not about modesty.
They are Islamism. And wearing one IS a political statment. The Europeans have every right to say no to fascist ideologies who want to infect their societies by normalizing something that shouldn't be normal.

I'm all for freedom. But when your own freedom is used against you to sabotage your own society then you have to put your foot down and say enough is enough!
Europe must remain Europe not become Eurabia. And this is not about white vs brown. Like the french president recently said. If you want to live in France you don't need to integrate.
You need to asimilate. Become French!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1202674/posts
 

lam@barf

cage killer
We only call them terrorist because they claim religion as a rational?

These guys are in criminal gangs. They make money using criminal acts. They gain power through criminal behaviors. They are criminal gangs.

What if other countries wanted to bomb US cities because some of the people in them sell drugs? Kidnap women or children to sell? Attack random people on the street for being different?

To even mention religion when discussing these criminals is to defame a religion, all it's followers and every law-abiding person in the region.

We could stop giving these criminals a dignity they don't deserve by calling them what they are. Otherwise we just continue to use religion as an excuse to brutalize an innocent group of people rather than deal with those that are actually guilty.
 

latindane

Learner. EuroPW, NaPS
The burka and the burkini are not Islam. No where in the koran does it say women should cover themselves in a burka.
Lets be very clear. This is not about modesty.
They are Islamism. And wearing one IS a political statment. The Europeans have every right to say no to fascist ideologies who want to infect their societies by normalizing something that shouldn't be normal.

I'm all for freedom. But when your own freedom is used against you to sabotage your own society then you have to put your foot down and say enough is enough!
Europe must remain Europe not become Eurabia. And this is not about white vs brown. Like the french president recently said. If you want to live in France you don't need to integrate.
You need to asimilate. Become French!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1202674/posts

Fascism to fight fascism? I seriously doubt it is a solution at all. And France (plus the rest of Europe) should be able to do better than that. Things like shunning headcovers that cover the face I understand. But this is unnecessarily going beyond that and is probably counterproductive IMO.
 

byke

Well-known member
There is no easy solution to the kind of problem that is happening in France and other nations in Europe.

On one hand, you have people who hate the culture of the country they are living in, so they join other like-minded people and commit acts of terrorism.

On the other hand, larger groups of people don't like the acts of terrorism happening in their country, nor do they particularly like the people who dress different, worship different and talk different than themselves. When some members of that other culture commit terrorist acts they blame the whole community which them creates more of the first group.

Part of the core problem is when people move into a country, but they don't want to become part of that country but rather form communities where they try to retain all of their culture and ways while still living in the other country. By rejecting everything of the people who already live in that country, they are creating an environment where they will be viewed differently and not necessarily positively and at the same time they are also creating an environment where there will be resentment going in both directions.

I think that there would be fewer problems if people moving into a country make more of an effort to become part of that country rather than trying to create enclaves of their own within that country. By accepting that they are part of that country and want to be a part of that country and community, there would be less friction on both sides. This doesn't mean giving up their religion and beliefs, but to also respect that there are positives of the country that they have moved into and to accept that they will have to change themselves to become part of that community and country.

My :2cents

It really could be that simple, but wherever they came from isn't as philosophically enlightened and thus, neither are they. Because of the way people erroneously interpret a negative comment about Peter as meaning an intense love for Paul, I'll go ahead and add that it's not to imply that we 'muricans are philosophically enlightened, send a bunch of immigrants to Alabamer and it'd almost certainly be worse.
 

lam@barf

cage killer
From Corb - I'm all for freedom. . . . . Like the french president recently said. If you want to live in France you don't need to integrate.
You need to asimilate
. Become French!





Like all the Europeans became Natives here? :facepalm
 

Corb

Banned
Fascism to fight fascism? I seriously doubt it is a solution at all. And France (plus the rest of Europe) should be able to do better than that. Things like shunning headcovers that cover the face I understand. But this is unnecessarily going beyond that and is probably counterproductive IMO.

I agree with the overal sentiment. It bothers me it has to be this way too and I wish there were better ways of dealing with it. But rational arguments have no power against ideology.
So something must be done. You can't just pretend nothing is wrong with Islamism in Europe. Looking the other way in the name of political corectness is simply cultural suicide. Its only a matter of time.
The burka/burkini should never become something normal to see in a free society. It is a tool of oppression and the mark of a fascist ideology that is in every way the antitesis of what everything Western liberalism is for, no mater how much Islamists try to convince us is the oposite.
The West must not sacrifice its culture for the sake of political corectnes.
 

lam@barf

cage killer
Corb -

Oops. You're on my ignore list. I only 'quoted' what I did because someone else quoted you. But now you know why I didn't actually quote you in my post and have no idea what you just posted.


(So's Blankpage btw)
 
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