Gear that's not gear

berth

Well-known member
Coming in to the office today, there's a lady on a scooter. Nice scooter, didn't note the make. Helmet, nice (fashionable) helmet, 3/4 helmet I guess I'd call it, maybe open faced, but the googles were part and parcel to it. Chin was open.

And…that was it.

Lightweight hoodie I think, jeans, didn't note the footwear.

And it got me thinking. About riding attire that's Not Gear, but "better than nothing".

There's always the ATGATT segment, and clearly she wasn't a follower. But why not? Was she going to work/school and she was going to lock her helmet to the bike and be on her way?

When I first started on my scooter, I had a $20 open faced white helmet, loosely fitted, from K-mart, and snap on face shield. I basically wore a ski jacket and ski gloves, as those are what I had. That was "my gear". Later, I lost the snap on shield and replaced them with yellow ski goggles.

All of these protected me during a low speed get off in an intersection, and they were all torn or damaged in some way.

Not gear by any criteria we may use, but they were way better than a hoodie.

From the flattering lines of a rain suit to the anime armored fighter look of modern sport gear and "really, I'm not in to that" Brando style leather, it's not surprising some folks simply Do Not Like the look of modern motorcycle gear.

And "too bad, suck it up" is perhaps a proper response, but isn't there an in between? Isn't "something" better than nothing, even if it's not as good as it can be? Sneakers are better than flip flops. Hiking boots are better than sneaker. Pumps are a bad idea save for calendar photo shoots.

Is a fashion leather jacket destined to be destroyed in a possible, but unlikely, low speed get off better than the armored up riding jacket that someone won't wear? Isn't "gear you wear" better than "gear you won't"?

Just trying to think what could have been suggested to this lady. Maybe she was completely ignorant of what she should be wearing. But that just seems unlikely today. I know not all riders are "enthusiasts", not all will read magazines or forums or, well, anything. But with the emphasis on safety we have in the industry as well as society in general, you'd think that she's not wearing the gear she should "semi-consciously". She made a choice to not purchase or wear something better than a hoodie and no gloves. I can't say her reasons, but looks, comfort, convenience and expense tends to be the top of most lists.

Any suggestions for in between attire that's "better than nothing" that you might convince someone to wear? Even in the heat?
 

corndog67

Pissant Squid
Ride your own bike. I've noticed that unwanted/un asked for criticism/suggestions on what to wear, usually ends up pissing someone off. I wear Big ass Danner work boots, and Levi's, 99% of the time. It is just what I wear. I've heard a few comments about what I should be wearing, and my reply is usually, "Wear what you want, I'll wear what I want."

I also hear people (usually newer, shorter time riders), refer to people without gear, or tye gear they think the other should ge wearing, as squids. Squid refers to, or it used to anyway, the level of someone's riding.
 

VicTim

VMCSF
She may be ignorant about safety gear and then again maybe not. It never really hurts to gently let someone know about riding gear but you never know what sort of reaction you'll get from them. Legally all you need is a DOT approved half helmet so anything else is voluntary. I saw a guy riding a 150 scooter in the City wearing full leather gear. It seemed kind of silly to me.
 

mean dad

Well-known member
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mrzuzzo

Well-known member
Meh... it is and should be a personal choice. Like many others, I always try to balance the convenience to safety factor.

I usually wear full gear but last night squidded it in a t-shirt to the mall.

I urged my wife to wear gear, especially being a n00b on a new bike, but it was really hot and it's probably safer to wear a t-shirt than to be exhausted from heat in leathers. Around the neighbrohood, a certain level of squidding is certainly acceptable.
 

Roadstergal

Sergeant Jackrum
They're free to wear what they want. You're free to point and laugh.

Some people look really good in gear that's not terribly protective. I'll watch appreciatively and be happy I'm wearing more. People are very bad at risk assessment - it's just the human condition. It's been demonstrated many times in many settings, not just motorcycle gear.
 

SFSV650

The Slowest Sprotbike™
The biggest issue for a lot of people, especially those without the cash or dedication to riding to invest in hard cases, is the need to carry a change of clothes when riding (assuming there's a convenient place to change when they get there).

I can take my jacket off when I get to work or a meeting, but I'll just be wearing the same shirt when I get there. Overpants are a pain, let alone leathers, so they get neglected if I know I'm going less than 30mph.

I the alpinestars offers some semi-armored riding hoodies; again better than nothing, but probably impractical (cost, frequency of washing) to become everyday attire.
 

Karbon

Hyper hoñorary
Congrats this might be the first gear nazi thread for the summer of '15 on barf.

you win one internets!


YAAAAAA!!!!
 

mrmarklin

Well-known member
Largely ignorance IMO. When I first started I used a half helmet and a nylon windbreaker. Shoes? I wore whatever I had. No boots.

Now when I go to Canada next week I'll be geared up. Leather perforated jacket with armor, Schuberth C3 helmet, real motorcycle boots and Kevlar jeans with armor at the knees. 50 years of experience and fear of the grim reaper have educated me.

Normally, I don't ride like that. When I go to work I wear regular jeans, a decent jacket, half helmet sometimes, and decent boots. Fairly covered but not ATGATT.

OTOH look at CHP. Half helmets, short sleeve shirts and no obvious armor on the knees. Sometimes a Kevlar vest is worn. There must be safety studies somewhere that says ATGATT is only marginally necessary--not at all.:thumbup
 

Pking

Humble Rider
I'm done telling folks what to wear. I used to be an ATGATT bible thumper then I realize that the majority of riders, new or vet, already knows they should be geared up. They just choose not to. Kinda like telling someone to use their seatbelt in a car. And from my experience, I've noticed that most of those I see who don't gear up usually have riding peers or are influenced by riders that don't gear up either.
 
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Abacinator

Unholy Blasphemies
I used to get all fired up about it but it's really none of my business if someone wants to be a meat crayon.
 

RDT

Well-known member
Crashing, it changes your view on the gear you choose to ride in. At least in my experience.
 

Donelop

Banned
Theres a billion fashionable jackets with armor and made with abrasion resistant textiles nowadays. Most of it is specifically made for scootering/low speeds/city riding.
 

Stormdragon

Still Good Lookin'
The biggest issue for a lot of people, especially those without the cash or dedication to riding to invest in hard cases, is the need to carry a change of clothes when riding (assuming there's a convenient place to change when they get there).

I can take my jacket off when I get to work or a meeting, but I'll just be wearing the same shirt when I get there. Overpants are a pain, let alone leathers, so they get neglected if I know I'm going less than 30mph.

I the alpinestars offers some semi-armored riding hoodies; again better than nothing, but probably impractical (cost, frequency of washing) to become everyday attire.



This.

Most people want to wear what they're going to wear for the day. In this particular instance, the lady probably wants to doff the helmet, and walk into work looking 'nice'. The average persons idea of nice, not ours. :p And she doesn't want to bother with the 'hassle' of putting on, or taking off some bulky protective thing she's going to have to store somewhere.

Later, when she needs skin grafts... but that's another story.
 

antidote

Well-known member
This.

Most people want to wear what they're going to wear for the day. In this particular instance, the lady probably wants to doff the helmet, and walk into work looking 'nice'. The average persons idea of nice, not ours. :p And she doesn't want to bother with the 'hassle' of putting on, or taking off some bulky protective thing she's going to have to store somewhere.

Later, when she needs skin grafts... but that's another story.

It really is a hassle to be geared up. But I always would choose that over not.

My 20 minute moto commute...it took me longer to gear up and down than the ride!
 

Cyclesuzy

Proud Pissant Squid
Crashing, it changes your view on the gear you choose to ride in. At least in my experience.

+1 it's hot in the afternoons when I ride so I usually wear mesh gear and layer underneath as needed for cold mornings. I'm tempted to say Phuket then look at my knee and put the gear on.
 
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