Johndicezx9
Rolls with it...
They MACGRUBERed a solution!
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Edenville Dam collapse Michigan
- Thread starter ThumperX
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Bias or not, it's pretty common for water management agencies to manipulate lake levels for all kinds of reasons. In this case, if water breached the spillway, it's an argument that they didn't lower levels soon enough.
AbsolutEnduser
Throttle Pusher
Ah! Calling her names, that's the hallmark of any informative post, by A Person Who Knows Better :thumbup
So the private owner had no license any more... OK so it doesn't look like a private company is always the better choice then..
Maddevill
KNGKAW
UAW didn't kill off anything. The reason we don't have money to fix our crappy infrastructure is that corporations don't have to pay what they should in taxes. The rich either. They have access to loopholes that you and I can' t use. If everyone paid their part, we'd have enough money for the things that need to get done. Blaming it on the union is just doing what they want us to keep doing... which is fight amongst ourselves while they rob us blind.
Mad
mrmarklin
Well-known member
I think the point of the article is that the MI government made the company re-fill the lake, leading to the present problem. To supposedly save mussels, or some such. Of course all those mussels are dying now.:wow
mrmarklin
Well-known member
The OP misspelled the governor's name. I think he meant Witless........:rofl
UDRider
FLCL?
The point of the article was to shift the blame from root cause: private company deferring maintenance and addressing issues they were aware of. Instead applying bandaid solution to kick the issue down the road where it might be others problem.
Climber
Well-known member
+1
Companies will always take the path to greatest profit, which is exactly why they shouldn't be used for a bunch of places that are traditionally government run.
mrmarklin
Well-known member
You're being deliberately obtuse. I'm done.:x
AbsolutEnduser
Throttle Pusher
The OP who? Are you referring to someone else's post from another website that you copied from? :confused
The OP is not mentioning a name in this thread.
And he packed his toys. :x Oh, man!
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UDRider
FLCL?
Oh I am sorry. I didn't realize pointing to root cause of the whole fucking mess is being obtuse. :rolleyes
wazzuFreddo
WuTang is 4 the children
msethhunter
Well-known member
WTF does graduating high school have to do with it? Ones potential earnings shouldn't be tied to their level of education. It should be tied to either their skill set and how valuable it is. Thankfully, for the most part, that's true, and the market drives the price. Don't look down your nose at someone just because they didn't attain the same level of education you did. Talk about smug.
KooLaid
Hippocritapotamus
One the richest people in my community.....is illiterate. All started with buying one cheap home and never stopping, made his millions upon millions that way.
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kuksul08
Suh Dude
DannoXYZ
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We're talking about 2 completely different things. You can use outlier examples like Bill Gates or Steve Jobs all you want (both college dropouts). Very few people will be able to get their results by following in their footsteps. But looking at middle of bell-curve will predict the group quite well.
- numerous studies shows difference in bell-curve of non vs. HS-grad. vs college graduates
- German auto-plants have higher % of college grad than anywhere else
- followed by Japanese plants
- takes GM workers ~22-hrs to assemble car in Detroit compared to -16hrs in Toyota Kentucky plant or Honda OH plant
- fewer end-of-line clean-up needed on Toyota or Honda or BMW factory than GM
- fewer product defects in 30, 60, 90-days after sale
- Toyota & Honda plants not unionized as workers don't want it. Employers offer better package than GM+union.
- skill level is tied to educatio. Some of it's formal and some through experience. No one does brain-surgery or robotics design out of the blue. You gotta go through classroom and lots of books along with hands-on training.
Hiring managers know all this stuff and chooses best workers possible for their positions. I'm through with working with people who thinks mailing products to customers wrapped in brown paper-bags with handwritten labels is OK. Or cannabilizing finished cars for parts to complete cars further up line.
Our economy is continually evolving and changing. You have to continually learn new skills to keep up with inflation. Big thing with employers nowadays is certifications in specific new technologies: Cisco, VMware, Linux & Kubernetes, Docker, Puppet, Ansible, etc. Each comes with guaranted compensation schedule.
Review 1994 Hedrick Smith documentary "Challenge to America". Predicts how and why IBM and GM will fall in future as they did. Also " Built to Last" by James Collins.
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wannabe
"Insignificant Other"
I've seen fresh off the boat recent college graduates make similar bonehead mistakes. The college degree just means that you're trainable. It does not mean that you will be effective in the job. (This is coming from a guy with an engineering degree.)
Given a choice between someone who spent 5 years getting their degree or someone who spent 5 years without a degree working as a tech in the industry, I'll take experience over the piece of paper every time.
And, the difference between GM and the Japanese/German plants has very little to do with the percentage of employees with college degrees. As people keep saying here, correlation does not imply causation.
Well, income historically has correlated to education most of the time. The phrase "non HS-graduates doing manual-labour" should tell you something about the nature of the work being performed. Manual labor usually refers to relatively unskilled labor. These jobs are important to get done but there is an ample supply of people who can do them and they tend to not pay a lot.
That's not smug, it's supply and demand.
Governments have been known to do the same. Magalia Reservoir has been dropped permanently about 25 ft since 1996 due to its need for seismic retrofitting and nobody wanting to pay for it.
A group of people brought to the attention of the federal energy regulatory commission in 2005 concerns over the emergency spillway at Oroville Dam. The fix was supposed to be $100M which was ruled unnecessary and too costly. That eventually led to the poor outcome from the crisis there in 2017 which has cost over $1B in repairs.