Ducati North America Raided by the FBI
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cg_ops
1-Armed Bandit
I'm sorry to hear about the termination. That really sucks.
Just thinking out loud... It could be construed as a breach of confidentiality. Publicly commenting on or providing/verifying any specifics (eg 2-3 people on site, FBI raid with guns drawn, etc) about the company, or raid thereof, might constitute some form of breach. You can be sure they didn't want this information becoming public - a raid is bad enough but the public knowing it was ~30 agents with guns drawn will likely result in perceived negative public perception. The press inquiries likely wouldn't have resulted in the FBI sharing details such as the number of agents or that their guns were drawn at the time of the event.
For example:
The top one may draw attention but the lower one elicits emotion and does more to drive shares about the news to learn more details, hurting the company's image in the process, in its opinion.
I've experienced this first hand... commenting on social media, about an employer related event, biting me in the ass. :laughing
Just thinking out loud... It could be construed as a breach of confidentiality. Publicly commenting on or providing/verifying any specifics (eg 2-3 people on site, FBI raid with guns drawn, etc) about the company, or raid thereof, might constitute some form of breach. You can be sure they didn't want this information becoming public - a raid is bad enough but the public knowing it was ~30 agents with guns drawn will likely result in perceived negative public perception. The press inquiries likely wouldn't have resulted in the FBI sharing details such as the number of agents or that their guns were drawn at the time of the event.
For example:
- FBI: [We] can confirm that FBI San Francisco was at that location on December 17, 2020, to conduct court-authorized law enforcement activity. As of today’s date, no public records are available. Due to the ongoing nature of the investigation, I cannot comment further at this time
- 30 FBI agents raided Ducati NA with guns drawn on December 17, 2020. Sources that were on the scene say the 2 employees working that day were scared for their lives. The FBI hasn't provided any further information but has confirmed that they were there, performing court-authorized law enforcement activity.
The top one may draw attention but the lower one elicits emotion and does more to drive shares about the news to learn more details, hurting the company's image in the process, in its opinion.
I've experienced this first hand... commenting on social media, about an employer related event, biting me in the ass. :laughing
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^^^ This.
It does not matter if the content of the social media post is truth, lies, supposition, or a wild-ass-guess.
NorCalBusa
Member #294
I'm trying to figure out why 30 (or 4, or however many) agents felt they needed their guns out and pointed at people for a white collar property crime, with no (that I've seen here) evidence of violence or resistance. That's some BS for a use of force complaint, depending on what we don't know.
gixxerjeff
Dogs best friend
Just watch one episode of The Blacklist and it will tell you everything you need to know.
The characters in that show can't get coffee at Starbucks without blowing a few people away. :laughing
dravnx
Well-known member
You won't figure this out because you barely know any of the facts.
NorCalBusa
Member #294
So enlighten us.
bergmen
Well-known member
I incorporated and represented myself when contracting. It worked very well for five years at a company in Santa Clara before they saw a way to offer me a permanent full time position in 2013. I'm still there.
Contractor positions are no where near being a full time employee, it is an entirely separate situation. I signed an annual contract that stipulated my position and held me responsible for protecting any IP (signed a non-disclosure agreement). I was no different than any other commodity supplier, I could be let go in the same manner as the company switching power supply distributors.
I knew this going in. I charged accordingly and being an independent I was less expensive than agencies and got a lot more than if I were associated with an agency.
No benefits, I was on my own for health insurance, etc. No worries, I fattened up my bank account to cover things.
It was a good gig.
Dan
KooLaid
Hippocritapotamus
That is not a "use of force". You would definitely know the difference once you've been on the receiving end of one.
Most non gun owners would go straight to "drawn on me" conclusion when really the officer was at "low ready" and scanning.
Or the officer had "his finger on the trigger" looking for a reason to fire, when really it was on the trigger guard over the trigger and.... yes looking for a reason to fire because that's what you're supposed to do.
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NorCalBusa
Member #294
The reference I made was in regard to LEO policy and what that determines is Use of Force (and subsequent reporting documentation). Not all agency's such policies are the same, especially lately- I'll leave that to the LEO's to clarify as they see fit. Sorry you didn't see the issue with a white collar/non violent offense and multiple people pointing guns at people as reported.
storm
Runs with scissors
Funniest thread I’ve read here for awhile...
opcorn
pay attention ding dong - this is not something funny.
(take care of your head, Shawn, sorry this happened on you)
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MR662
AFM #662
Not once has someone confirmed why the FBI was there or what they were investigating. You’re assuming it was non violent/white collar crime but you weren’t there. Most agencies, police or FBI have guns drawn during a search warrant entry into home/building because of the unknown threats. Often times firearms are out at low ready. If everyone complies and building is searched, no threats found, firearms are put away. Standard procedure....
superhypered
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They apologized if you had read farther down.
NorCalBusa
Member #294
Of course I wasn't there, but I find it a stretch to think Ducati is in the gun trading business, keeps them in drawers around the office or is involved in any pursuit that requires them. All we know is what we've seen here, knowing its not gospel- cause its the intrawebnet; present something different and we can go from there.
scootergmc
old and slow
I'll present that those who serve warrants for a living know far more about serving warrants.
ctwo
Merely Rhetorical
I think the FBI gave a statement that they were investigating a financial crime. It was the same thing at Fry's - they came in with guns.
(just to clarify, Fry's was the victim of the crime and the owner's/operator's were forewarned of the raid)
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"I can confirm that FBI San Francisco was at that location on December 17, 2020, to conduct court-authorized law enforcement activity," FBI spokesperson Katherine Zackel told the website. "As of today’s date, no public records are available. Due to the ongoing nature of the investigation, I cannot comment further at this time.". That's the quote I am seeing online that is attributed to the FBI.
Nothing about it being a financial crime and supposing it was, does that mean that there is no possibility of someone inside the building or at the property when the warrant is served that reacts in a way where a gun may be used?
Nothing about it being a financial crime and supposing it was, does that mean that there is no possibility of someone inside the building or at the property when the warrant is served that reacts in a way where a gun may be used?