Down I went

[Buloong]

• Me: right turn, down hill, no stop sign, didn't slow down
• Car: at cross street stop sign looked but didn't see bike coming then proceed into the intersection.
• The crash: braking hard to avoid hitting car, lost the front and went down
• The bad: sore shoulder and hip; jacket scrubbed @ elbow area, knee armor pocket ripped open, glove stitch ripped a little, boot scrubbed; ground brake lever, scratched top fairing (on top of what already very scratchy), clip-on pushed back, frame slider no longer a virgin
• The good: Speedymoto frame slider did great; good gears saved skin; AND the driver stopped, apologized, and gave me his information even though there was no contact.
• Lessons: don't let familiar/routine road take away awareness and concentration. That was exactly what happened. Panic braking needs to improve.
• Question: any advice how to deal with "no contact" accidents like this? The guy asked me to get an estimate of damage and he may consider pay out of pocket or through insurance.

Finally, I consider myself lucky for virtually walking away from a 40mph crash and the bike has only minor cosmetic damages.

Pic of where it happened. My path is red.

 

[budman]

Bummer but good your OK. No advice because never had one like that.

Assume no police report so probably the best bet is his out of pocket $$$.

Good luck.

 

[spdt509]

I know the intersection.had a car pull into their driveway at the last minute, so my 'out' was to hop onto sidewalk.heal up and get back on the bike when you're ready.... as for the no contact;the driver is technically not at fault since no contact was made, so if he/she wants to pay for some of the damage, consider yourself lucky....

 

[Wes07]

Unfortunately you lost it 100% of your own accord since there was no contact so he isn't responsible to pay anything. That was really nice of him to offer. Your best bet is to ask for a little to help cover a few things and go practice your braking some more. Glad you're okay and hope you become better at emergency braking and maneuvering from this.

 

[Stormdragon]

Unfortunately you lost it 100% of your own accord since there was no contact so he isn't responsible to pay anything.

Incorrect according to more than one officer on this board.

However, with no police report, if the driver decides to ignore the OP, he has little recourse.

 

[Darwin]

Hard to prove he was responsible when no contact (and no witnesses mentioned, or police report assigning responsibility). The reality is that you could likely eat the entire cost of the accident. If the driver is willing, out of the goodness of their heart, to help with the cost, then you should count yourself extremely lucky and grateful. Granted, it might have been their fault that caused the situation, but the fact that you didn't hit the car means you could have stopped in an even shorter distance had you managed to keep the bike upright. If this goes to insurance, bet that you will not receive a cent!

 

[spdt509]

Incorrect according to more than one officer on this board.

oh, this is new to me. link to that thread,if you have it.....

 

[O.T.]

Come on now you can't legally run some one off the road and not be responsible for it just because there was no contact between the two.

 

[p4i1]

I wonder, did you "wave" at the car when you saw them standing on a stop sign? By "wave" i mean several quick consequent lean right/lean left by pushing bars. I do it every time I see car stopped or approaching intersections.

 

[sv2007]

Unfortunately you lost it 100% of your own accord since there was no contact so he isn't responsible to pay anything. That was really nice of him to offer. Your best bet is to ask for a little to help cover a few things and go practice your braking some more. Glad you're okay and hope you become better at emergency braking and maneuvering from this.

A friend of mine crashed ina similar way also in a no contact situation. The driver didn't stop, he had ask her to stop down the road. Turns out she was found at fault.

I should add more, in case it helps the OP:

My friend asked the driver to stop (after chasing her down the road to the next light) and she did. Cops were called and found her to be at fault.

 

[Stormdragon]

oh, this is new to me. link to that thread,if you have it.....

Find something like that on a board this active? :laughing

As said, one of the officers quoted a piece of the VC stating that if one causes an accident, via violation of right of way, you are at fault.

Think about it. To make an extreme example: A big rig locks up his brakes on the freeway, starting a chain reaction causing a 5 car pile up behind. Driver straightens out the rig with no contact, and continues on. Not at fault?

 

[spdt509]

hey, I figure your search-fu is advanced! the scenario you describe is different than what happen to the OP, but i get what your saying...

 

[Gary856]

You know what insurance agents say - never admit fault after an accident. Just take down the info and let them sort it out. Facts are not important; it's what you can prove.

What would be the driver's point of view of this accident? "The bike came flying down the hill around a corner, saw me, panicked and crashed..." Can we automatically assume the driver's at fault, even if/when contact was made?

 

[Wes07]

Regardless of if there are circumstances, however rare, that can lead to an accident with no contact and the other driver at fault, there's no way you could prove that here so you just have to ebay cheap parts and move on. Ask for a little something from the driver but just try to be better so next time you'll be able to foresee this or stop in time without crashing.

 

[scout]

City traffic, I always use caution and stay clear of cagers. When you said 'downhill' I'm think steep. That photo I consider flat! Just what I'm used to, I guess. I might go faster if no traffic, but slow a bit if traffic, especially side traffic jumping on. In morning, I'm aware that most people either don't wake up, even when behind the wheel, or are planning on butting heads at work. Mind is not on the road in mornings, so I'm more careful. Do whatever you want, but always learn. Either with the brain or the hard way.

 

[Stormdragon]

hey, I figure your search-fu is advanced! the scenario you describe is different than what happen to the OP, but i get what your saying...

Unfortunately, the same words are used so often around here that my Google-fu fails often around here.


Yes, my example is extreme, (as stated) but the second sentence... :teeth

if one causes an accident, via violation of right of way, you are at fault.

Again, making such an incident actually stick, with no police report or witnesses... :dunno

 

[Karbon]

I wonder, did you "wave" at the car when you saw them standing on a stop sign? By "wave" i mean several quick consequent lean right/lean left by pushing bars. I do it every time I see car stopped or approaching intersections.

What does this do? For visibility?

 

[larry kahn]

OP, speaking of visibility, out of curiosity, what colors are your bike and gear? I've recently painted my helmet and some of my bikes day-glo orange and green and I really do notice a difference.

 

[i_am_the_koi]

What does this do? For visibility?

My father recommended for me to do this when I first started riding as well...

Basically the same as the headlight flasher's you see... gives people something different then just a headlight to grab their attention.

 

[larry kahn]

It's also something to do with the brain registering sideways movements better than oncoming movements. And with so many cars having daytime lights on you have to do something different. There's A LOT of half fuckin dead drivers out there.