Crash Story

marcg

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Here's my contribution ...

After 20 years and hundreds of thousands of commute, touring and track miles, I had my first crash at Sears in August. On the first lap. On cold tires.

I was riding my GSX-R 750 with new 208 GP-As. The track was cold. It was slightly damp. And there'd been Formula I races the day before, so there may have been loose rubber on the track, or there may have been so much rubber ground into the track that the small surface irregularities that normally increase traction (as the bike's tire deforms to mate with them) were gone.

I knew that I would have poor traction on the early laps and I was consciouly holding back: keeping my speed down and a small lean angle. But as I rounded 3A, the bike just disappeared from underneath me. It was that sudden. No warning, it was just gone and I was sliding to the outside of the track with my bike leading the way.

The following thoughts went through my mind in rapid succession (less than 3 seconds).

- Where's the bike?
- So this is what it's like (crashing).
- Don't tumble, just focus on sliding without rolling (I'd heard many times that the worst injuries happen when you tumble and your limbs flail about)
- Try not to get run over (looking around to see where the traffic was)
- Make sure you've stopped before you try to get up (I'd heard/read that people frequently thought they had stopped when in fact they were still moving).

And that was it. I slid all the way across the track and then stood up. I hadn't completely stopped when I stood up, so I had to take a couple of running steps to keep from falling over.

The safety gear did it's job, and I'm really thankful for that. It protected me and other than scuffs and scratches survived the crash with no damage. I had no injuries other than a sore hand. The only good thing about crashing on a warmup lap is that it was a low speed crash, less than 45 mph.

The bike had lots of cosmetic damage, the right lower fairing, tail section, front cowling and windscreen (stock plastics, sigh) were broken. Mechanically, the right clip-on was broken, right-side peg ground down and the muffler was flattened. The right-side frame slider was ground down by about 1.5". I'm a big believer in frame sliders now. The damage would have been much worse without them.

I was able to replace/repair the mechanical parts for under $250. (One benefit of owning a GSX-R is that they seem to get crashed a lot and there are plenty of parts available from bikes that are being parted out :teeth). Replacement plastics were about $900. I opted to go with replacement stock plastics since they were about the same price as a complete set of painted race plastics and would be better when I went to sell the bike.

I'm also the proud owner of a salvage title, since the insurance company totaled the bike.

I've gone over that crash many times in my head to figure out what went wrong in particular. The general problem was clearly that I was going too fast, with too much lean for the conditions, even though I was conscious of the low traction conditions and trying to adjust for them. Maybe there was some debris in 3A, maybe it was especially slick there, maybe I set my tire on the tiger's teeth which were wet (maybe) and slicker than the rest of the track. I don't know. But I've been extra mellow on all my warm-up laps since then.

Marc
 

redline

Greetings from THill...
I agree, for me, the first lap of every set is just for sighting after seeing so many go off the track on the first lap.

Thanks for sharing. I'm hoping to learn from others rather than doing this myself (once on the track was enough for me!) So here's my questions to see if I can learn something from this...

Would you say that the front tire is the one that gave out? It sounds like your butt was on the ground before you knew what happened. That makes me think the front went out first. What do you think?

Would you say the bike went down *while* turning the bars, or *after* you turned the bars and was just going around the turn without adding steering input or lean angle? If "after" turning, then I'm guessing the road surface had more of a contribution. What do you think about that part?
 

marcg

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redline said:

Would you say that the front tire is the one that gave out? It sounds like your butt was on the ground before you knew what happened. That makes me think the front went out first. What do you think?

Would you say the bike went down *while* turning the bars, or *after* you turned the bars and was just going around the turn without adding steering input or lean angle? If "after" turning, then I'm guessing the road surface had more of a contribution. What do you think about that part?

Can't say which tire slid first. There were some noticeable lateral scuff marks on the rear and the bike seemed to slide out from under me in a slightly forward direction, so it may have been the rear that cut loose first.

3A is a right-hand turn at the crest of the hill. The track is flat there (although it feels like like a negative camber turn). The bike fell at either the crest of the hill or slightly after it, where I was mid-turn on maintenance throttle only. The traction may have been reduced by the suspension unweighting at the crest of the hill. That or the surface was especially slick there as you suggest. Or both ...

A couple of other people fell at the same location early in the day.
 

HareRacing

Well-known member
20 plus years, over 100,000 miles and i have had 11 crashes, none at the track! all but one were my fault.
 

redline

Greetings from THill...
Oh, THAT turn 3a, ha ha, I've only been on that track a couple times. The constant uphill-downhill nature of the track made it feel like there's always a lot happening with the bike. Instead of just paying attention to my line through the track, there's all this camber and elevation changes.

I watched a vid of that track to refresh my memory. I can see why that turn would be complicated to diagnose. There's so much happening there.
 

Moto_JB

Well-known member
HareRacing said:
20 plus years, over 100,000 miles and i have had 11 crashes, none at the track! all but one were my fault.


10 crashes that were your fault on the street? Good gawd man! I think you need some training wheels...

:p
 

Var

One Track Pony
sorry for the off topic question but how much to buy your bike back from insurance?
 

marcg

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Var said:
sorry for the off topic question but how much to buy your bike back from insurance?

$2,103.69.

I've got to give prop's to my insurer, California Casualty. They treated me well. The bike was 1 year old and they valued it at $8,325, higher than Kelley and NADA. After the adjustments for my deductible, sales taxes, the salvaged bike, etc., they sent me a check for $6,300. That took some of the sting out of the experience.

One thing I learned was that insurers will total the bike if the repair cost exceeds roughly 70-75% of the bike's value. The dealer quote for repair was $6,900. I repaired the bike for about $1,250 in parts plus my own labor. The dealer cost was higher for three reasons. One was dealer price for parts. Another was dealer labor prices. The last was that they were going to repair even the most minor blemishes, e.g., some almost imperceptible scratches on the tank where the clip-on hit the tank during the crash. That's what I would have wanted if the insurance company had paid for the repairs. In fixing it myself, I decided to ignore the most minor cosmetic damage. By the way, Ron Ayers has excellent prices on replacement plastics.

The accident was covered even though it happened at the track. It would not have been covered if the trackday was a "timed event" (i.e., a race), a race school or a race practice. The fact that it happened at a 3Js trackday, a charity event, probably helped to convince them that it wasn't a race. Another insurer may have handled it differently.

It'll be interesting to see whether my rates go up next year.
 
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Moto_JB

Well-known member
marcg said:
$2,103.69.

I've got to give prop's to my insurer, California Casualty.
It'll be interesting to see whether my rates go up next year.


Not sure if I'd personally want my motorcycle riding to be insured by a company with the word "Casualty" in their name... :laughing ...but hey, it sounds as if they treated you well.

Your rates will most certainly go up. I heard if they pay out more than $500, your rates will go up. I believe this is the norm for CA insurance companies...
 

afm199

Well-known member
If you don't get your turning done BEFORE you enter 3a, then you are subjecting the bike to sudden off camber, loss of traction as you crest the hill, and turn input.

First lap tires can not take that in a turn like 3a. Add the damp surface and you have a recipe for disaster.
 
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