Coronavirus hospital data will now be sent to Trump administration instead of CDC

DataDan

Mama says he's bona fide
In case there's any confusion:
  • The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are part of the US Department of Health and Human Services.
  • The new reporting site is also within Health and Human Services.
  • So COVID-19 reports from hospitals CONTINUE to go to HHS, but to a different location.
The CNN story linked in the OP stated: "Hospital data on coronavirus patients will now be rerouted to the Trump administration instead of first being sent to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

This may lead the gullible to believe that data is going straight to the Oval Office to be edited for sinister political purposes. Which is exactly what CNN intended.
 

bosco12

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Update. Apparently the data is now available from CDC site, though the story on CNN is poorly written. It says this data is available up through July 7. Not sure what was available before, how long the lag was.

As noted yesterday, the CDC Current Hospital Capacity Estimates – Snapshot data site says it's not available after the 14th.

IMPORTANT: Data displayed on this page was submitted directly to CDC’s National Healthcare Safety Network (NHSN) and does not include data submitted to other entities contracted by or within the federal government.

The following downloadable file contains national and state estimates from the NHSN COVID-19 Module. This file will not be updated after July 14, 2020 and includes data from April 1 to July 14.

Current Hospital Capacity Estimates – Snapshot
https://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/covid19/report-patient-impact.html

So perhaps somewhere there will be a new source for it?
 

Climber

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Who is in charge of NHSN these days?

It would be surprising if they would shut down such a key indicator on their own unless there was an alternative....unless something else is going on.
 

Brown81

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In case there's any confusion:
  • The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are part of the US Department of Health and Human Services.
  • The new reporting site is also within Health and Human Services.
  • So COVID-19 reports from hospitals CONTINUE to go to HHS, but to a different location.
The CNN story linked in the OP stated: "Hospital data on coronavirus patients will now be rerouted to the Trump administration instead of first being sent to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

This may lead the gullible to believe that data is going straight to the Oval Office to be edited for sinister political purposes. Which is exactly what CNN intended.

Indeed.
CNN: utter joke.
 

Climber

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If the data is getting altered before being made public, then it doesn't matter where it goes first. Most of us had confidence that the CDC wasn't altering the data.

Past action do have an impact on current perceptions.
 
I already have trump supporters going ape shit over this.

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I like how people are all pissy about this. Well when your count includes PIC (pneumonia, influenza, and covid-19) deaths and your falsifying results. You are not giving the correct info. When regulations and mandates are issued off that data then you deserve not to be in charge of that info. Period. You lying sacks of shit.

This was the goal

FWIW: I'm ok combining PIC as 1 measure. People don't die by the hundreds of pneumonia in June but they did last month for some reason.
 
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bosco12

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Not So Tidy

In case there's any confusion:
  • The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are part of the US Department of Health and Human Services.
  • The new reporting site is also within Health and Human Services.
  • So COVID-19 reports from hospitals CONTINUE to go to HHS, but to a different location.

Actually I think it's important to note that the data is first being collected by a private firm (TeleTracking Technologies), and then being passed into Plantir, and then on to HHS. And I don't think the new HHS data site is yet, or will be soon publicly available. Science published this information yesterday:

HHS says CDC’s data collection system was antiquated and the new one, called HHS Protect, will help it better allocate national stockpiles of COVID-19 drugs and personal protective equipment. The department plans to eventually provide public access to HHS Protect, CDC Director Robert Redfield said at a briefing.
U.S. decision to divert COVID-19 data from CDC draws fire
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/us-epidemiologists-say-data-secrecy-covid-19-cases-cripples-intervention-strategies#sidebar

Since April, epidemiologists from Stanford University and several University of California campuses have sought detailed COVID-19 case and contact-tracing data from state and county health authorities for research they hope will point to more effective approaches to slowing the pandemic. “It’s a basic mantra of epidemiology and public health: Follow the data” to learn where and how the disease spreads, says Rajiv Bhatia, a physician and epidemiologist who teaches at Stanford and is among those seeking the California data.

But the agencies have refused requests filed from April through late June, Science has learned.

Bhatia and other epidemiologists, in California and across the country, are especially aggrieved after recent news reports revealed states are feeding the same data they desire to a federal contractor, Palantir Technologies, that has drawn criticism for data work supporting Immigration and Customs Enforcement deportations. For a data platform dubbed HHS Protect, Palantir is aggregating information on the spread of the new coronavirus on behalf of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), drawing on more than 225 data sets, including demographic statistics, community-based tests, and a wide range of state-provided data.(This week, sparking widespread concern among public health experts, epidemiologists, and others, HHS also directed hospitals to provide data on COVID-19 cases and patient information to the Palantir system—largely via a second contractor, TeleTracking Technologies—rather than to CDC as they have for decades [see sidebar]).
Data secrecy is crippling attempts to slow COVID-19’s spread in U.S., epidemiologists warn
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/us-epidemiologists-say-data-secrecy-covid-19-cases-cripples-intervention-strategies

And it seems there's even more details (too much, really) on the data collection process in this report. But note this quote which doesn't appear to guarantee public data access, and there's no new Hospital Capacity Estimates data after 14 July available from the CDC:

He {CDC Director Dr. Robert R. Redfield} emphasized: "No one is taking access or data away from the CDC."

Readfield noted that about 1,000 CDC experts will continue to have access to the raw data from hospitals. "This access is the same today as it was yesterday," he said.

... According to HHS Chief Information Officer José Arrieta, HHS Protect has been aggregating data since April, with much of that information coming from the CDC. ...
Bypass CDC, report COVID-19 data directly to HHS
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Robert Redfield says the controversial new process, which calls on hospitals to send capacity and utilization data to HHS, was made with CDC support.
https://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/white-house-hospitals-bypass-cdc-report-covid-19-data-directly-hhs

So it seems from these reports the first thing this HHS change has done is stop the public flow of some of that data. Is this correct ?
 
But those are personal contributions

Should I be shocked that 1600 of 11000 employees donate to democrats, annually?

And since the CDC is a science backed organization, should I be shocked if they are primarily democrat?

And I'm just using basic math, the article says it's even less people

The contributions were made by more than 550 people who listed the CDC as their employer on FEC forms... The most common recipient was ActBlue

seems like the attack is baseless imho

If were getting into the silliness of it, I could write an article to suggest that the CDC pays it's democrat scientist more then it's republican scientist because the dems have more pocket money to donate. Doesn't make it true
 
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Glad I don't work for the CDC cause my donations to Harrison and McGrath would make it appear that I am improperly influenced by my political affiliations

:laughing

or McConnel and Graham are pieces of shit that need to go
 

mean dad

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99% of political contributions from CDC went to democrats since 2015

https://theminnesotasun.com/2020/07...rds-show-only-five-went-to-republican-causes/

I wonder if that has anything to do with how things have been handled by both sides?

Fake news...except it wasn't fake at all.
Dem donations...except they're personal donations from a few hundred employees.
Moving goalposts...when you're backed into a corner with facts.

You are literally nailing every GOP talking point to muddy this issue, bruh. :applause
Nice job.
 

Pushrod

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I think there's a bit of overreaction going on here and more anti-administration bias. The information was already going to the president: the CDC is a subsidiary of HHS, which is all executive branch. If they're trying to streamline data and make the reporting more accurate in order to make better informed policy decisions, then I'm for it. If the CDC presently has a one week lag in reporting, what good is it doing for policy makers in trying to respond?

Witness Florida.

The surgeon general for Fl. was told by the DeSantis (R) to fudge the numbers, she refused, went whistle blower, go fired and now is suing. In the meantime, the Covic-19 numbers are all over the place, being hidden under common flu categories, not reported for weeks or a month and now the deaths are spiking (again).

Just so the damn theme parks and beaches can reopen.

How many times does one have to listen to a lie before the dawn comes up?
 
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Climber

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(Reported) cases in Florida continue to climb, they are almost to the #1 position for new cases per million for the nation.

We know that the ICU's in Florida are overflowing, their deaths per million aren't reflecting that...

I think we have a clear demonstration of what happens when the numbers get hidden or artificially reduced, now.
 

scootergmc

old and slow
(Reported) cases in Florida continue to climb, they are almost to the #1 position for new cases per million for the nation.

We know that the ICU's in Florida are overflowing, their deaths per million aren't reflecting that...

I think we have a clear demonstration of what happens when the numbers get hidden or artificially reduced, now.


ICUs are overflowing with what? Covid patients or?
 

Climber

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Cases per million in Florida are at 5th in the US, but deaths per million in Florida are down at 25th.

The obvious question is, what is going on?

Is it:
1. A case of far more testing than other states?
2. A case of they are still peaking and the deaths haven't hit yet?
3. They somehow have a much lower death rate recorded for covid-19 than almost any other state while at the same time having a larger senior population than just about any other state.

Anybody have anything to add more clarity to the situation?
 
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