mototireguy
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Civilized To Death
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kevin 714
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civilization was a mistake. the last 7000 years of humans overall have not had it better than the 7000 years of humans prior. civilization exists to consolidate power. post setting of permanent roots, humans became sicker, smaller, living less fullfilled lives with less freedom. not to mention the utter horrors of the domestication of animals\
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lefty
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Robbie-
Thank you. That was very interesting and thought provoking. His line about "we are not living longer, we are dieing slower", makes a lot of sense.
It makes me think about the fact that blood pressure pills supposedly make you live longer, but they take away your ability to get an erection. Is that living?
Thank you. That was very interesting and thought provoking. His line about "we are not living longer, we are dieing slower", makes a lot of sense.
It makes me think about the fact that blood pressure pills supposedly make you live longer, but they take away your ability to get an erection. Is that living?
Eldritch
is insensitive
This simply is not true. The food security of agriculture has promoted drastic improvements in homo sapiens general health, life span, and allowed drastic increases in size. The fossil record fully supports this anthropological fact.
I am like 30% larger than a person from the Uruk period of the Ancient word.
Johndicezx9
Rolls with it...
We’re just prisoners in our guided cages....
Karbon
Hyper hoñorary
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kevin 714
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The Uruk period is well within the time period of “civilization”, you actually literally make my point, especially using yourself as a example. 7000+ years to get you back to where we started
he introduction of agriculture has not necessarily led to unequivocal progress. The nutritional standards of the growing Neolithic populations were inferior to that of hunter-gatherers. Several ethnological and archaeological studies conclude that the transition to cereal-based diets caused a reduction in life expectancy and stature, an increase in infant mortality and infectious diseases, the development of chronic, inflammatory or degenerative diseases (such as obesity, type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular diseases) and multiple nutritional deficiencies, including vitamin deficiencies, iron deficiency anemia and mineral disorders affecting bones (such as osteoporosis and rickets) and teeth.[84][85][86] Average height went down from 5'10" (178 cm) for men and 5'6" (168 cm) for women to 5'5" (165 cm) and 5'1" (155 cm), respectively, and it took until the twentieth century for average human height to come back to the pre-Neolithic Revolution levels.[87]
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kevin 714
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http://www.hormones.gr/127/article/article.html
abstract
The ancestors of modern Europeans arrived in Europe at least 40,000 years before present. Pre-glacial maximum Upper Palaeolithic males (before 16,000 BC) were tall and slim (mean height 179 cm, estimated average body weight 67 kg), while the females were comparably small and robust (mean height 158 cm, estimated average body weight 54 kg). Late Upper Palaeolithic males (8000-6600 BC) were of medium stature and robusticity (mean height 166 cm, estimated average body weight 62 kg). Stature further decreased to below 165 cm with estimated average body weight of 64 kg in Neolithic males of the Linear Band Pottery Culture, and to 150 cm with estimated average body weight of 49 kg in Neolithic females. The body stature of European males remained within the range of 165 to 170 cm up to the end of the 19th century.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10408398.2011.635817
The Neolithic Revolution greatly narrowed the diversity of foods available, resulting in a downturn in the quality of human nutrition.
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny-hccc-worldcivilization/chapter/the-neolithic-revolution/
The nutritional standards of Neolithic populations were generally inferior to that of hunter-gatherers, and they worked longer hours and had shorter life expectancies. Neolithic populations generally had poorer nutrition, shorter life expectancies, and a more labor-intensive lifestyle than hunter-gatherers. Diseases jumped from animals to humans, and agriculturalists suffered from more anemia, vitamin deficiencies, spinal deformations, and dental pathologies.
abstract
The ancestors of modern Europeans arrived in Europe at least 40,000 years before present. Pre-glacial maximum Upper Palaeolithic males (before 16,000 BC) were tall and slim (mean height 179 cm, estimated average body weight 67 kg), while the females were comparably small and robust (mean height 158 cm, estimated average body weight 54 kg). Late Upper Palaeolithic males (8000-6600 BC) were of medium stature and robusticity (mean height 166 cm, estimated average body weight 62 kg). Stature further decreased to below 165 cm with estimated average body weight of 64 kg in Neolithic males of the Linear Band Pottery Culture, and to 150 cm with estimated average body weight of 49 kg in Neolithic females. The body stature of European males remained within the range of 165 to 170 cm up to the end of the 19th century.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10408398.2011.635817
The Neolithic Revolution greatly narrowed the diversity of foods available, resulting in a downturn in the quality of human nutrition.
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny-hccc-worldcivilization/chapter/the-neolithic-revolution/
The nutritional standards of Neolithic populations were generally inferior to that of hunter-gatherers, and they worked longer hours and had shorter life expectancies. Neolithic populations generally had poorer nutrition, shorter life expectancies, and a more labor-intensive lifestyle than hunter-gatherers. Diseases jumped from animals to humans, and agriculturalists suffered from more anemia, vitamin deficiencies, spinal deformations, and dental pathologies.
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bruceflinch
I love Da Whores
We’re just two lost souls, swimming in a fishbowl, year after year.
Johndicezx9
Rolls with it...
Ok, so are Hot Pockets good , or bad? :dunno
Eldritch
is insensitive
Yes, it took a long time to recover, but i am not calling it civilization until you build a City.
littlebeast
get it while it's easy
“I think you’re confusing suicide with self-destruction, and they’re very different. Almost none of us commit suicide, whereas almost all of us self destruct." — Annihilation
DataDan
Mama says he's bona fide
I'll take civilization.
We’ve officially annihilated a second strain of polio
Regarding stature: Bigger isn't necessarily better. The Channel Islands off the southern California coast were once home to mini-woolly mammoths. After wandering out over a land bridge from the mainland, they became isolated when sea level rose due to the global warming that began about 10,000 years ago. They shrank due to evolutionary pressure that favored smaller bodies better adapted to the habitat. Similarly, humans wandered all around the world, sometimes became isolated, and adapted to their unique environments. Variation in size--still present in human groups today--is often about genetic history, not health.
We’ve officially annihilated a second strain of polio
A crippling strain of polio virus is no more. Officials confirmed Thursday that global health efforts have wiped it out, moving humanity one step closer to completely eradicating the highly infectious virus from the planet.
The obliterated strain—wild poliovirus type 3 (WPV3)—is one of only three wild strains of polio. It is the second to be globally eradicated. Health officials declared WPV2 eradicated in 2015. That leaves only one wild strain remaining: WPV1.
The obliterated strain—wild poliovirus type 3 (WPV3)—is one of only three wild strains of polio. It is the second to be globally eradicated. Health officials declared WPV2 eradicated in 2015. That leaves only one wild strain remaining: WPV1.
Regarding stature: Bigger isn't necessarily better. The Channel Islands off the southern California coast were once home to mini-woolly mammoths. After wandering out over a land bridge from the mainland, they became isolated when sea level rose due to the global warming that began about 10,000 years ago. They shrank due to evolutionary pressure that favored smaller bodies better adapted to the habitat. Similarly, humans wandered all around the world, sometimes became isolated, and adapted to their unique environments. Variation in size--still present in human groups today--is often about genetic history, not health.
SM610
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Agreed...
I find the self loathing around here amazing. So many people cant seem to enjoy this time of wonder. We have grocery stores, cars motos, and plane easily accessed, cell phones with the entire worlds knowledge instantly available, hospitals to cure things that killed anyone and everyone just 100 years ago. Our poor people are often obese for fucks sake... All this wasnt even a dream for kings and queens 100 yrs ago, and some of you insist that its somehow bad. How ungrateful it seems. Even these conversations are a luxury few could afford not too long ago.
Maybe some of you could spend some time in a true 3rd world place for some perspective. There are things to work on of course, but we are very fortunate, and i for one am grateful.
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Mike95060
Work In Progress
We can have all these wonderful convinces and still feel hollow, unfulfilled and alone. Easily shopping for a meal does not mitigate the emptiness of eating by yourself. "Without a tribe" fits for many. If YOU don't feel this way, congrats. You are blessed. Maybe consider lots of people around you are not before you toss out sharp words like "ungrateful." Things do not provide meaning, connections do.
SM610
Well-known member
If "ungrateful" is too sharp, then people have gotten so soft that anything will leave a mark. Just a little resilience isnt a bad thing either.
:laughing
Edit - i agree and concede that people still suffer. The point is that many of the things needed to have a happy fulfilling life are RIGHT HERE, and yet misery exists. It seems volentary in many cases. If this aint good enough, well what the hell is? It appears nothing is good enough.
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Climber
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I see the biggest issue is that civilization has brought less exercise along with more processed food.
The cure is to exercise more and stop eating so much processed food.
Almost everybody I've known has mistaken my age for 10+ years less than it is, even people I've known for years.
I have spent a lifetime physically active, which I think is a big part of looking and feeling younger than most other people over 40.
What percentage of the population over 40 gets at least 30 minutes of exercise every day?
The cure is to exercise more and stop eating so much processed food.
Almost everybody I've known has mistaken my age for 10+ years less than it is, even people I've known for years.
I have spent a lifetime physically active, which I think is a big part of looking and feeling younger than most other people over 40.
What percentage of the population over 40 gets at least 30 minutes of exercise every day?