Cheap racing

Sidewalk

My bikes have pedals now
Considering my options if I opt to stop racing minis, but I don't have a budget that covers much of anything. It will sadly only be occasional racing for a while, not championships :(

Is the Ninjette where it is at, or is the SV an option too? Need something that will be reasonably reliable, not eat tires like crazy, and have good racing. Don't care about speed (fast or slow), but with speed comes money...

I don't know if it would be WERA or WSMC. Socal regardless.

So hard to beat the stock 50 class for price and competition, but I may need a change.
 

Burning1

I'm scareoused!
Haven't raced Supermotos, but I get the impression that it's significantly cheaper than road racing a proper bike.

First question you need to ask is whether or not you want to be compeititve, or if you're just in it for a good time. Being competitive usually means spending some $$$ on a bike - even in the 250 prod class, you'll need a new gen Ninjette plus some assorted upgrades.

If you just want to race, and don't mind coming in mid pack, you can save a lot of cash by running an older gen Ninja, or your favorite beater bike. Corey has his GPZ, I have my GS, Connie has her old gen Ninjette. We all have good competition, but none of us are expecting to walk away with a big honkin trophy. On the other hand, the bikes are pretty cheap to get out there. My GS has 17 inch wheels, and could be bought and made track worthy with upgraded suspension for ~$1200.
 

Sidewalk

My bikes have pedals now
Competitive is a plus, not a requirement (as long as funds don't exist). I just need to be able to bump fairings once in a while, something you can't do at a track day.

Not really interested in SM.

I will have to keep that in mind then. If I sold my NSR I could easily afford a $1200 bike.

What has the biggest grids these days, in the budget classes?
 

RcrBoy

Well-known member
Competitive is a plus, not a requirement (as long as funds don't exist). I just need to be able to bump fairings once in a while, something you can't do at a track day.

Not really interested in SM.

I will have to keep that in mind then. If I sold my NSR I could easily afford a $1200 bike.What has the biggest grids these days, in the budget classes?

Sounds like 250 class for you.

A 650 Twins class will eat your money and your tires............. :|


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KazMan

2012 Fifty is Nifty Tour!
Staff member
I would whole-heartedly recommend the 250 class. From talks this year, the class will expand several riders and with grids already in the mid-twenties I am sure you will find someone to run and 'rub' with.
It is a great class as most talk with each other and it surpassed all my expectations on my return to racing.
If budget is a problem, talk to Brian Bartlow and see if you can get on his Feel Like a Pro team for 2012, but you better hurry as confirmations for 2012 are already coming in! :thumbup
 

RcrBoy

Well-known member
We now have 10 bikes for the AFM season and only one spot available for 2012 :teeth. Also, in talks with an investor to Franchise the Feel Like A pro services in Southern California. We are looking for a location to be based out of to support Willow Springs, WERA, Chuckawalla raceway and the track day providers. Our sponsors our backing the efforts and its very exciting to see it grow. The Kawasaki 250 Ninja's are getting great attention and great reviews from all types of rider, street guys and racers. Sales are on the rise and looking forward in working with Kawasaki and all our other sponsors. Thanks everyone on barf and all the sponsors.

And there ya' go.............. :teeth
 

afmotorsports

Well-known member
First of all, it should be said that "cheap racing" is an oxymoron...

Let's also establish the fact that racing motorcycles is a really fun way to spend some of your discretionary income (hopefully not on credit cards!) While many of us could've spent that money taking vacations in Hawaii or Costa Rica or ???, racing is a sort of substitute for the more traditional types of vacations. To help put it in perspective, I will use California as a vacation destination in the following analogy:

Let's say your best buddy is a hard working stiff living in Munich, Germany and he decides to take a week of vacation to spend in California. Out of that one week the first and last day will be wasted on plane travel, so it's really only 4-5 days of actual vacation time in California. He took the time off work, he bought that pretty expensive plane ticket, so now he has to decide where he's going to stay. He has the choice of a really cheap $hithole motel in Stockton that charges by the hour or he can pick a slightly more expensive yet decent place to stay in San Jose, 45 minutes from the beach in Santa Cruz and 45 minutes from San Francisco. If that poor german guy was really your buddy coming to visit California, would you ever tell him to pick the $hithole motel in Stockton???

It's the same for racing. Pick a motorcycle that you want to race, don't just get something you think is "cheap". If you actually want to race a Ninja 250 because you like the bikes and you know/like the people in the class, then that's definitely the way to go. However, if you would rather race on a slightly faster bike with better brakes and handling, there's nothing wrong with going to a SV650 or even a 600... but you'll find that most of us who have been around racing for 20+ years will try to steer you away from 1000s as a first racebike.

The problem with chosing which bike to race strictly on the price of the bike and maybe the cost of tires for the season is that you are ignoring all the other expenses of racing:

- travel costs ($50-200 per weekend, depending on vehicle and distance to track)

- motels ($120-250 per weekend)

- food/restaurants ($50-200)

- AFM entry fees ($250-350 assuming you pay for Saturday practice and 2-3 race entries)

Those costs are exactly the same whether you race a Ninja 250 or a BMW S1000RR!

Ultimately none of us are "forced" to race motorcycles, so whatever bike you race just take a look at the big picture and make sure that you actually want to race that particular model and it will put a big grin on your face. (you could've gone to Hawaii with that money, right?) To settle for a bike you don't really want to race is just plain foolish because the overall difference in cost is very small.

Would you ever tell your buddy from Germany to take a week off work, come out on vacation to California and then stay in the hooker motel in Stockton? I hope not.
 

afmotorsports

Well-known member
Sounds like 250 class for you.

A 650 Twins class will eat your money and your tires............. :|

I will politely disagree with that. The cost difference is actually less than 10% for the season if you look at ALL the costs involved in racing a whole season with the AFM. Travel, motels, food, entry fees, those are all the same regardless of the bike you choose to race. Buying an extra 2-3 sets of tires for the season only increases your cost by maybe $100 per weekend.
 

RcrBoy

Well-known member
I will politely disagree with that. The cost difference is actually less than 10% for the season if you look at ALL the costs involved in racing a whole season with the AFM. Travel, motels, food, entry fees, those are all the same regardless of the bike you choose to race. Buying an extra 2-3 sets of tires for the season only increases your cost by maybe $100 per weekend.

You can do that... :teeth


I was only looking at 3 aspects when I made that comment.


1) Wear and costs of tires on a 250 vs 650 for a season


2) Purchase price of a 250 race bike vs a 650 race bike


3) Cost of upgrades on the bike to be competitive, 250 vs a 650


:loco Mark :loco
 

Sidewalk

My bikes have pedals now
A 650 Twins class will eat your money and your tires............. :|

What I was afraid of :(

One of the kids I have been racing with is moving into 650's (as soon as he is old enough, track days for now). Would be fun to keep pushing him. Oh well.

If budget is a problem, talk to Brian Bartlow and see if you can get on his Feel Like a Pro team for 2012

Interested...

Don't leave the miniiiiiiiis!

I will never sell my YSR. It is one of John Hopkins old bikes and it was given to me by Al Lyons. But the NSR can go, and as much as I hate it, the RS if I can get enough for it.

And there ya' go.............. :teeth

I will contact Brian tonight, thanks.

First of all, I didn't read your post so I will just post my worthless rant.
Fixed.


I already race. I am looking for a class where I can continue to rub elbows at a different venue. I don't want to buy a cheap bike and find I am in a class of two bikes.
 

afmotorsports

Well-known member
"First of all, I didn't read your post so I will just post my worthless rant."

Fixed.

:wtf "Worthless rant"??? :rolleyes I take the time to give you a thorough reply to help you see the "big picture" of the overall cost of racing different bikes and you throw it in my face so rudely?? Nice. I won't upset the mods by using some well-deserved choice words and violating the TOS but just use your imagination because I certainly would otherwise... :kicknuts
 

Sidewalk

My bikes have pedals now
:wtf "Worthless rant"??? :rolleyes I take the time to give you a thorough reply to help you see the "big picture" of the overall cost of racing different bikes and you throw it in my face so rudely?? Nice. I won't upset the mods by using some well-deserved choice words and violating the TOS but just use your imagination because I certainly would otherwise... :kicknuts

If you paid any attention you would see that I already know the costs of racing. I don't need your experienced rant to tell me that a 1000 is a bad idea as my first race bike as I am looking into my fifth race bike. I already know the costs of logistics since I have been paying it for the past four years every month. I already know the cost of entry fees since I have been paying them.

What I asked for was a cheap class, from a racers point of view, that has good competition. Everyone else except you understood that and gave me the info I was looking for.
 

brianbartlow

Well-known member
Alex, You said the SV has better brakes and handles better. Thats not true. The 250 have one of the highest cornering speeds then any other bike on the track. Also the brakes are great. :rofl come back and ride with us:twofinger
 

RcrBoy

Well-known member
Alex, You said the SV has better brakes and handles better. Thats not true. The 250 have one of the highest cornering speeds then any other bike on the track. Also the brakes are great. :rofl come back and ride with us:twofinger


:hand

They can't touch the Fll or Flll bikes on this... :|














:twofinger


:later
 

afmotorsports

Well-known member
Brian, I like you and I like what you're doing with Kawi and I was really, really grateful when Lisa let me borrow her Ninja 250 last year to salvage some points in 250 Superbike... but honestly that little bike just isn't for me. Sorry, it may have a lot to do with the fact that I'm a big 6'4" dude but I just didn't care for it at all. Besides, I'm retired from roadracing...
 

afmotorsports

Well-known member
And just to clarify: I'm am definitely NOT anti-Ninja 250, it's always been a really great group of people, the races between them are often a lot of fun to watch and with the FLAP presence there's definitely a rebirth of the class. My point was simply that for anyone to spend all that money on racing you might as well race the bike that gets you truly excited about racing, not settle for something else just because you think it's "cheap". If the Ninja 250 is the bike you really get excited about racing, then there's no question that it's one of the least expensive bikes to buy and race. However, the SV650 Prod bike that I raced for two seasons sold for $3,500 and I managed 1:48s at Infineon, so if somebody is honestly more excited about racing a 650 than a 250, the cost difference really isn't all that great when you put things in perspective and you consider the overall costs of going racing.
 

RcrBoy

Well-known member
My point was simply that for anyone to spend all that money on racing you might as well race the bike that gets you truly excited about racing, .

Sometimes it's not the bike but the class you race in.

Put a stock 650 Twins on the grid cause that's all you can afford and you're likely to be riding your own race, alone........... :|

Put a stock 250 Prody bike on the grid and you're likely to be dicing it up with other riders the whole race. A whole lot more fun in my book than just having a fast race bike............. :dunno



Now if you have MONEY................ :teeth


But that's not the topic of this thread. ;)



:loco Mark :loco
 
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