CA broke? Maybe there's too much OverHead

[Go2Trackdays]

I wish I made that kind of $$$ !!

http://www.businessinsider.com/damn-california-state-employees-get-paid-a-lot-2009-5

:rolleyes

 

[Eldritch]

I have the utmost respect for law enforcement and I come from a family with a strong Law Enforcement background. But they have a Police Sergeant pulling a Salary of $260,000. Even as a Sarge III with overtime, ARE YOU SHITTING ME?

 

[soybean]

Wow, some of those job titles are pulling salaries that don't fit at all.

 

[wazzuFreddo]

good skim they got going on there.

 

[Traq]

But they have a Police Sergeant pulling a Salary of $260,000.

That is his total compensation. His salary is $108k. He made $105k in OT...so he is basically just living to work averaging 26 hrs of OT a week. What a fun life he must have working 10 hr days M-F and 8 hrs Sat and Sun...of course that's not how cop schedules actually work, but it's good enough for yet another Sink rant about this.

 

[Psyclotron]

damn, i shoulda been an assistant medical examiner. they all make $250k! :mad

 

[Johndicezx9]

That is his total compensation. His salary is $108k. He made $105k in OT...so he is basically just living to work averaging 26 hrs of OT a week. What a fun life he must have working 10 hr days M-F and 8 hrs Sat and Sun...of course that's not how cop schedules actually work, but it's good enough for yet another Sink rant about this.

To really stoke the flames you should've added a "that's why they're writing more tickets"! :laughing

 

[mlm]

That is his total compensation. His salary is $108k. He made $105k in OT...so he is basically just living to work averaging 26 hrs of OT a week. What a fun life he must have working 10 hr days M-F and 8 hrs Sat and Sun...of course that's not how cop schedules actually work, but it's good enough for yet another Sink rant about this.

Those people work all that overtime by CHOICE. I've known several cops over the years and got the impression from all of them that overtime was a BENEFIT.

 

[Psyclotron]

Those people work all that overtime by CHOICE. I've known several cops over the years and got the impression from all of them that overtime was a BENEFIT.

Fuck, choice or not, you can throw objects at my balls for $260k / yr.

 

[Traq]

Those people work all that overtime by CHOICE. I've known several cops over the years and got the impression from all of them that overtime was a BENEFIT.

There's always bad guys to arrest or tickets to write.

I didn't say it wasn't a choice. But what difference does that make whether it's by choice or not? The fact is that he works a shitload of OT to make that money. People like to look at the number and have a conniption fit over it without thinking what it actually means.

Do you live to work? I don't. And because I don't I also don't make that kind of money. If someone wants to work nearly 80 hours a week I'm not going to sit around and be jealous of how much money they have...I have better things to do.

 

[wazzuFreddo]

I want to know how effectively do you can do your job if you are working that much overtime. :confused

 

[mlm]

There's always bad guys to arrest or tickets to write.

I didn't say it wasn't a choice. But what difference does that make whether it's by choice or not? The fact is that he works a shitload of OT to make that money. People like to look at the number and have a conniption fit over it without thinking what it actually means.

Do you live to work? I don't. And because I don't I also don't make that kind of money. If someone wants to work nearly 80 hours a week I'm not going to sit around and be jealous of how much money they have...I have better things to do.

I agree you have to look at the numbers in context, but there are a couple problems with OT:

First, we limit hours a pilot can fly, and a truck driver can drive. Why not how many hours a week a cop can work? Remeber the SCC sherriff incident last year? Doesn't it seem a bit odd that their union doesn't push for limits on this as a safety issue? Instead, many (not all) make it even more of a benefit by including overtime pay in setting (lifetime) pension payouts.

Second. I can understand how some overtime (paid at time and a half or even more) would be preferrable to hiring additional officers. I just don't believe that is how it works. I don't believe the numbers or arguments the unions make, nor do I believe the arguments made by the cities/counties...although I tend to believe the unions less.

 

[Eldritch]

That is his total compensation. His salary is $108k. He made $105k in OT...so he is basically just living to work averaging 26 hrs of OT a week. What a fun life he must have working 10 hr days M-F and 8 hrs Sat and Sun...of course that's not how cop schedules actually work, but it's good enough for yet another Sink rant about this.

Yeah, I know how Cop salaries work. That's why I stated Sarge III with overtime. It's a fucking scam. I mean just look at it from a a raw numbers perspective. For $216k they could have hired a SECOND Sarge III getting 80 hours of work a week instead of 66 and they would get it from 2 fully rested officers and they would have done it with $50,000 a year less tax payer dollars!

For fuck's sake, most of the supervisors and deputy directors on that list making $200k + per year are people who push pencils at meetings for a living at a responsibility level in the corporate sector that would equate to a salary of $50-$80k in San Francisco.

 

[/dev/null]

If they worked in the private sector and were management, they wouldn't get a dime of overtime. The problem is there's an exemption for cops under the FLSA. It's in the highly compensated section so basically they have an exemption to an exemption that allows them to get overtime.

 

[Psyclotron]

There's always bad guys to arrest or tickets to write.

I didn't say it wasn't a choice. But what difference does that make whether it's by choice or not? The fact is that he works a shitload of OT to make that money. People like to look at the number and have a conniption fit over it without thinking what it actually means.

Do you live to work? I don't. And because I don't I also don't make that kind of money. If someone wants to work nearly 80 hours a week I'm not going to sit around and be jealous of how much money they have...I have better things to do.

Who says they're really working that many hours? I really, really doubt those are all productive hours. Sounds like a big fucking scam to me, actually.

 

[Traq]

First, we limit hours a pilot can fly, and a truck driver can drive. Why not how many hours a week a cop can work? Remeber the SCC sherriff incident last year?

Working a lot of hours in a week isn't necessarily unsafe. As far as I know the hours restrictions on pilots and truckers is a limit on the number of consecutive hours. The problem with the sheriff's deputy was pulling a double shift, wasn't it?

Yeah, I know how Cop salaries work. That's why I stated Sarge III with overtime. It's a fucking scam. I mean just look at it from a a raw numbers perspective. For $216k they could have hired a SECOND Sarge III getting 80 hours of work a week instead of 66 and they would get it from 2 fully rested officers and they would have done it with $50,000 a year less tax payer dollars!

There's administrative overhead involved with creating a new position. I don't know how much, but it isn't just a cut and dry split like that. Plus he had $50k in 'other compensation.' No idea what that is. Probably uniforms and OT meal expenses.

But there's more to it than that...even if it was so simple as bringing on a 2nd person...will you get the quality of people you want for that amount of money? Why would someone risk their ass working in SF when they could make that much working in some sleepy little upscale town somewhere else?

 

[Johndicezx9]

I'm of the "they figured out how to work the system" school of thought, so why would they want to change the system?

But the "system" does need to be changed, and unfortunately, those unions are pretty powerful, especially when they start running the ads on TV telling people that after cutting overtime there will be less cops on the street, and people will believe it because it's a good sound bite.

 

[mlm]

Working a lot of hours in a week isn't necessarily unsafe. As far as I know the hours restrictions on pilots and truckers is a limit on the number of consecutive hours. The problem with the sheriff's deputy was pulling a double shift, wasn't it?

A truck driver would have to really work the system to get that kind of overtime. An airline pilot can't work more than 100 hours in a MONTH.

http://www.geocities.com/av8trxx99/FAQ.html

There's administrative overhead involved with creating a new position. I don't know how much, but it isn't just a cut and dry split like that. Plus he had $50k in 'other compensation.' No idea what that is. Probably uniforms and OT meal expenses.

Correct. However one thing I've noticed with Law Enforcement careers is how a police officer as been turned into a relatively unskilled position into a "professional" career path. My belief is that this has gone too far and results in fewer officers per person. Coincidentally it again benefits the unions as it help bolster their arguments for higher pay and overtime (since officer training has become a HUGE expense).

But there's more to it than that...even if it was so simple as bringing on a 2nd person...will you get the quality of people you want for that amount of money?
Why would someone risk their ass working in SF when they could make that much working in some sleepy little upscale town somewhere else?

They wouldn't, but these idealistic sleepy little money towns only hire a few officers.

 

[Bad Dad]

Aren't these SF CITY employees, and not CA state employees?

 

[Traq]

However one thing I've noticed with Law Enforcement careers is how a police officer as been turned into a relatively unskilled position into a "professional" career path.

You can't smack someone's head in to a desk until they confess any more...cops need to know what they're doing or the city pays out in settlements, or criminals walk because of technicalities. At worst I'd call the entry level a light blue collar job.