Best explanation I've seen for why you shouldn't let your bike just idle to warm it up

Darkness!

Where's the kick starter?
From this page:

http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/Warming_up_your_engine

Warming up your engine

One of the more enduring automotive myths is that you have to let a vehicle idle to warm up for a while. This is the worst way you can get your motorcycle (or car) to the proper operating temperature. Your bike should be under a load (moving) to get it warmed up well, and also to extend its life.

There is zero harm to starting a cold engine and putting it under a LIGHT load right away. On a bike this means choke it, start it up, and then as soon as you can give it throttle without dying (usually just several seconds) ride away. This does not mean bash the hell out of it as soon as you're out of the driveway.

Close the choke (enrichener) as soon as you can. There are lots of good reasons for this, but just do it. You may have to turn the choke down in increments during the first couple minutes of your ride before the bike will run fine without the choke. This can often mean having it applied halfway for the first few minutes, but if the bike is in a good state of tune you shouldn't need more than a few minutes before you can turn it off for good. Just remember that it is a manual choke and you have to remember to shut it off.

Why shouldn't I let it warm up while I'm putting on my gear?
Engines warm drastically faster when under load than when under no load (idling). The evils of idling are ultra low oil pressure at a time when the oil is at its thickest and doesn't flow very well. That means that right after starting is the point where you have the worst lubrication. By riding you're forcing the oil to move more and provide lubrication to the points that aren't bathed in oil (think heads). Using a good synthetic oil with a low 'cold' number, such as Shell Rotella T 5w-40, will mitigate this as much as possible.

The engine also needs a higher concentration of fuel to air at startup, as the atomization of the gasoline is poor in a cold engine. This means that the sides of the cylinders are getting hosed down with gas, which washes off the little lubrication that was there (and isn't being replaced at idle, due to the factors discussed above).

The last, and most important, issue is that you create localized hot spots by idling. The engine does not warm evenly. When a mass of metal is bolted together, as an internal combustion engine is, it heats rapidly in some places and not in others. This makes it more susceptible to warping and seizing/galling, which is where two metal surfaces stick/weld together, then rip apart, leaving both surfaces weakened.
So, take it easy until you can see that the engine is warmed up; then you can ride like your normal squidly self.

NOTE: Take this with a bit of caution. There are still many older bikes and cars from the forties, fifties, sixties and seventies out on the road. For most of those era vehicles it is a good idea to let them idle for a bit. Depending on how cold it is where you live. Here, in the Bay Area, it rarely gets so cold that you need to "warm it up" for any longer than 2-3 minutes at most. You might to leave it on choke or fast idle for a few blocks but just be smooth and gentle on the throttle and your bike will warm up just fine. More modern vehicle from the eighties onwards generally don't require much, if any, idling time to warm up. Better to let the engine warm up as you ride/drive it.
 

rsrider

47% parasite 53% ahole
And this coming from a Ninjette 2fiddy forum............oh irony! Try giving these things even a tiny bit of throttle after you just started it. I ride mine with it choked after giving it a few minutes, not to warm up mind you, just to get it to a point where it can handle some throttle, and then remove the choke.........later.
 

NSR500

すけべ
I warm my bikes up under load 85% of the time. The other 15% is when I am still putting things away and closing up the garage.
I've observed the bikes don't seem to mind warming up under load and nothing seems to be dumping out in the oil change when I inspect.
 

ScottRNelson

Mr. Dual Sport Rider
The last, and most important, issue is that you create localized hot spots by idling. The engine does not warm evenly. When a mass of metal is bolted together, as an internal combustion engine is, it heats rapidly in some places and not in others. This makes it more susceptible to warping and seizing/galling, which is where two metal surfaces stick/weld together, then rip apart, leaving both surfaces weakened.
I mostly agree with the original article, but this one makes no sense to me at all. I don't see why idling will give you worse localized hot spots than riding it might do. It could be true, but I'm not seeing it.
 

clutchslip

Not as fast as I look.
From this page:

http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/Warming_up_your_engine

Warming up your engine

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The evils of idling are ultra low oil pressure at a time when the oil is at its thickest and doesn't flow very well. That means that right after starting is the point where you have the worst lubrication. By riding you're forcing the oil to move more and provide lubrication to the points that aren't bathed in oil (think heads). Using a good synthetic oil with a low 'cold' number, such as Shell Rotella T 5w-40, will mitigate this as much as possible.........
We should just ignore the ECUs that intentionally fast IDLE our vehicles until they warm-up and get oil flow throughout the engine, hey? And somehow putting more load and more revolutions is better for wear. Amazing reverse logic. And let us not EVEN talk about smokers where the best thing is to never do anything but idle. :laughing

Letting an ICE idle all the time is not good for longevity, since you aren't moving and the odometer will say 10 miles, even though you have 50,000 hours. Which is why most industrial engines base life on hours, not miles. But, I find the logic in this piece lacking.
 
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Internet apocrypha. Shouldn't there always be a film of oil on your metal bits unless the engine has either been sitting for a long time or something is already wrong?
 

T100

*Retired*
Not gonna change my protocol of 2 minutes of warm up idle then, easy on the throttle for a few miles. Doesn't matter to me what can be dug up on the internet.

Hell, it's all over the internet that the Clinton Foundation is as clean as a hound's tooth. Do I believe that there is a shred of truth to that?

No.
 

PetrieJ

Sore Saddler
I mostly agree with the original article, but this one makes no sense to me at all. I don't see why idling will give you worse localized hot spots than riding it might do. It could be true, but I'm not seeing it.

Moving the oil more disperses the temperature changes better.
 

bpw

Well-known member
Jesus, that is some serious pseudo-scientific over analysis of something that is essentially irrelevant to any vehicle made in the last 50 years.
 

Blankpage

alien
Not gonna change my protocol of 2 minutes of warm up idle then, easy on the throttle for a few miles. Doesn't matter to me what can be dug up on the internet.

Hell, it's all over the internet that the Clinton Foundation is as clean as a hound's tooth. Do I believe that there is a shred of truth to that?

No.

Yep I don't care what pops up I'm must gonna keep to my routine. My bike and car get about a 20 - 30 sec warm up then not too crazy with throttle. Although bike gets wheelied down the road immediately, sometimes with little grip from the rear.
The work truck gets put in drive within a half second of starting. On a cold morning the transmission often just bogging and no movement for a few seconds.
I don't know if either method is right but bikes are tough.
 

kuksul08

Suh Dude
I just make sure to plug in my engine block heater the night before and go WFO straight out of the garage in the morning. :ride
 

TheRobSJ

Großer Mechaniker
Not gonna change my protocol of 2 minutes of warm up idle then, easy on the throttle for a few miles. Doesn't matter to me what can be dug up on the internet.

Hell, it's all over the internet that the Clinton Foundation is as clean as a hound's tooth. Do I believe that there is a shred of truth to that?

No.


It's this post right here which sums up why I've given up on trying to convince people that you don't need to warm up a modern car/bike. It's the Internet....everyone thinks they're an expert but really just a blowhard...yeah I get it. Can't separate what's good from what's bad since it all looks viable so ignore it all. I get it. I can't win.

It's your car/bike, not mine. Do what y'all want with them.
 

T100

*Retired*
It's this post right here which sums up why I've given up on trying to convince people that you don't need to warm up a modern car/bike. It's the Internet....everyone thinks they're an expert but really just a blowhard...yeah I get it. Can't separate what's good from what's bad since it all looks viable so ignore it all. I get it. I can't win.

It's your car/bike, not mine. Do what y'all want with them.

Don't take it so personally man. It's not that important. Everyone just does what they're comfortable with. I'm never in a hurry when I jump on my bike 'cause I'm retired and don't have to commute.

Iv'e never warmed up my SUV's even when I lived in Tahoe in the Winter time.
Bikes....well, 2 minutes or so at idle and taking it easy for a few miles, I don't think is OCD. YMMV:cool
 

clutchslip

Not as fast as I look.
It's this post right here which sums up why I've given up on trying to convince people that you don't need to warm up a modern car/bike. It's the Internet....everyone thinks they're an expert but really just a blowhard...yeah I get it. Can't separate what's good from what's bad since it all looks viable so ignore it all. I get it. I can't win.

It's your car/bike, not mine. Do what y'all want with them.
What is the point of the fast idle that lasts an average of a lousy 38 seconds? You work on GM stuff, and I know the ECU is reading water and/or oil temperature, not MAP or MAF temperature to determine the idle speed. And why does BMW limit RPM until the oil has reached proper operating temperature? Could it be that BMW has to pay for warranty repairs? They didn't do this on their less "modern" cars. I don't think it's a huge deal, but even MotoGP teams warm up their bikes. Does that count as anything to you? I am really discussing this issue and not being a blowhard, as you put it.
 

Darkness!

Where's the kick starter?
I mostly agree with the original article, but this one makes no sense to me at all. I don't see why idling will give you worse localized hot spots than riding it might do. It could be true, but I'm not seeing it.

Yeah, I didn't really get this one either. The only thing I can think of is oil pressure would be higher in theory under load, so that might equal better lubrication as the oil gets up to temp.

We should just ignore the ECUs that intentionally fast IDLE our vehicles until they warm-up and get oil flow throughout the engine, hey? And somehow putting more load and more revolutions is better for wear. Amazing reverse logic. And let us not EVEN talk about smokers where the best thing is to never do anything but idle. :laughing

Letting an ICE idle all the time is not good for longevity, since you aren't moving and the odometer will say 10 miles, even though you have 50,000 hours. Which is why most industrial engines base life on hours, not miles. But, I find the logic in this piece lacking.

I don't know what a smoker or an ICE even is. Care to elaborate? And I'm not advocating to ignore anything. Even modern bikes with automatic fast idle systems don't keep the bike idling that high for longer than 10-20 seconds tops, in the Bay Area.



Might want to re-read the NOTE: section of my original post. There are caveats to any situation. A lot depends on how new or old your bike is. It also depends a great deal on how well you maintain your bike. Synthetic oil, in general, lubricates far better and warms up more quickly than conventional oil. Wouldn't you agree?
 
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