Becoming a LEO 101

LoadThis

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6 yrs in the military then slid into my career. 24 when I graduated my academy.
 
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TheRiddler

Riddle me this.
ive been hearing that a lot from everyone, but the fact of the matter is that school is too easy for me right now and i am 30 years old, sitting around working towards a law degree that i am only completing to make my family happy. i have been going crazy lately not having my own money and being supported by my family. also, if i decide to apply to the FBI straight out of school, it would be nice to have 2-3 years of LEO experience under my belt, as the cutoff age for the FBI is 38 years old.

basically, the approach i am taking to finding a job in law enforcement is to not rush it. wait for the right opportunity to present itself, and then utilize that opportunity. i think (hope) that by me being in law school, i have a leg up on other people that are applying for the same jobs, so i feel as if i can be picky as to what agency i end up applying to.

Hmm. I'm not a LEO, I'm just aspiring to be one. There's a few things I thought of when reading through your posts. You can take mine with a grain of salt, though.

Are you currently in law school? I ask this because you said the prospects for you finishing were school were greater than if you went into the family business. TBH, unless your family business is currently failing, that's pretty unlikely. The prospect for potential lawyers is, well, horrible. Unless you graduate from a top 10 school in the top 10% of your class, you're going to have a bad time. Lawyers of today are doing what interns of yesteryear did, except those lawyers have $150k they still need to pay back. This is what kept me from going to law school. If you're not already in law school, I'd seriously reconsider.

Beyond that, I've seen pay bumps for more education in law enforcement, but usually that means a Bachelor's. Anything else is a bit superfluous.

Who you know doesn't really matter in the LEO field which is one thing I really like. Everyone is judged based on their own merits and not dad's coat tails. Everyone goes through the same process, and if you can't make the cut, you can't make the cut.

If you really want a leg up, join the military (I don't remember the cut-off age, you may actually be past it). A lot of agencies give preference to veterans. If it was an option for me, I would have gone that route first.
 

Honey Badger

...iz a girl
I was 28 the first time - and got sucked into the dreams of graduate school. Quit to do that, and then reality set in. 34 and applying back to PD's again...a bit on the old side (technically) but I've seen older get hired, and I at least have some experience (and I'm a girl), which are small tokens in my favor (ex-military, too).
 

kelsodeez

2wheels good 4wheels bad
Hmm. I'm not a LEO, I'm just aspiring to be one. There's a few things I thought of when reading through your posts. You can take mine with a grain of salt, though.

Are you currently in law school? I ask this because you said the prospects for you finishing were school were greater than if you went into the family business. TBH, unless your family business is currently failing, that's pretty unlikely. The prospect for potential lawyers is, well, horrible. Unless you graduate from a top 10 school in the top 10% of your class, you're going to have a bad time. Lawyers of today are doing what interns of yesteryear did, except those lawyers have $150k they still need to pay back. This is what kept me from going to law school. If you're not already in law school, I'd seriously reconsider.

Beyond that, I've seen pay bumps for more education in law enforcement, but usually that means a Bachelor's. Anything else is a bit superfluous.

Who you know doesn't really matter in the LEO field which is one thing I really like. Everyone is judged based on their own merits and not dad's coat tails. Everyone goes through the same process, and if you can't make the cut, you can't make the cut.

If you really want a leg up, join the military (I don't remember the cut-off age, you may actually be past it). A lot of agencies give preference to veterans. If it was an option for me, I would have gone that route first.

yea i am one semester in at hastings school of law. actually, the main reason i went back to school to finish my BA and get a law degree was because one of my best friends in high school married a very wealthy chinese girl that runs a law firm that deals in international arbitration law. she told me if i get my law degree, dont take the bar and come to beijing to work under her for a few years, then either become a consultant or take the bar equivalent (i think its called the imperial law aptitude test). finding a job in law wont really be a problem

as for military service, wanting to become an LEO is sort of my way of rebelling against my grandfather and my dad. they were both vets and they forbade me and my brother to join the armed forces because they had bad experiences that they will probably never ever talk about. becoming an LEO would be the closest thing i could get without being disowned by my family, and what my family think means a lot to me.

i have decided to finish my law degree and worry about a job when i am done with school. thanks for all your guy's input. i really appreciate it.
 

Shaggy

Zoinks!!!!
yea i am one semester in at hastings school of law. actually, the main reason i went back to school to finish my BA and get a law degree was because one of my best friends in high school married a very wealthy chinese girl that runs a law firm that deals in international arbitration law. she told me if i get my law degree, dont take the bar and come to beijing to work under her for a few years, then either become a consultant or take the bar equivalent (i think its called the imperial law aptitude test). finding a job in law wont really be a problem

You seem very focused on who you know and what they can do for you and your career.

Just an observation. Carry on...
 

}Dragon{

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You seem very focused on who you know and what they can do for you and your career.

Just an observation. Carry on...

Life experience doesn't matter much these days, huh?

How long you been under the parents wings?
 
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jw1984

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yea i am one semester in at hastings school of law. actually, the main reason i went back to school to finish my BA and get a law degree was because one of my best friends in high school married a very wealthy chinese girl that runs a law firm that deals in international arbitration law. she told me if i get my law degree, dont take the bar and come to beijing to work under her for a few years, then either become a consultant or take the bar equivalent (i think its called the imperial law aptitude test). finding a job in law wont really be a problem

as for military service, wanting to become an LEO is sort of my way of rebelling against my grandfather and my dad. they were both vets and they forbade me and my brother to join the armed forces because they had bad experiences that they will probably never ever talk about. becoming an LEO would be the closest thing i could get without being disowned by my family, and what my family think means a lot to me.

i have decided to finish my law degree and worry about a job when i am done with school. thanks for all your guy's input. i really appreciate it.

:thumbup
 

Kornholio

:wave
Life experience doesn't matter much these days, huh?

How long you been under the parents wings?

Ken, I was told by two difference police chiefs in the bay area that I had more documented experience with weapons, tactics and leadership under fire than they had amassed in 25+ years as a police officer. But that wasn't enough since the other guy had a college degree and at the time, I didn't. Every single police science course I took in college was taught by a current or former LEO and each one of them at some point in the course, usually in the beginning, reminded the class that a college degree doesn't automatically mean you'll be a better police officer. They said life experience and proven reliability were vastly more important. I guess this is another part of law enforcement where the administration side of things isn't paying attention to what the beat officers are saying.
 

Outta Control

Renegade Drone Pilot
Ken, I was told by two difference police chiefs in the bay area that I had more documented experience with weapons, tactics and leadership under fire than they had amassed in 25+ years as a police officer. But that wasn't enough since the other guy had a college degree and at the time, I didn't. Every single police science course I took in college was taught by a current or former LEO and each one of them at some point in the course, usually in the beginning, reminded the class that a college degree doesn't automatically mean you'll be a better police officer. They said life experience and proven reliability were vastly more important. I guess this is another part of law enforcement where the administration side of things isn't paying attention to what the beat officers are saying.

+1

Amen Brotha.
 

TheRiddler

Riddle me this.
Ken, I was told by two difference police chiefs in the bay area that I had more documented experience with weapons, tactics and leadership under fire than they had amassed in 25+ years as a police officer. But that wasn't enough since the other guy had a college degree and at the time, I didn't. Every single police science course I took in college was taught by a current or former LEO and each one of them at some point in the course, usually in the beginning, reminded the class that a college degree doesn't automatically mean you'll be a better police officer. They said life experience and proven reliability were vastly more important. I guess this is another part of law enforcement where the administration side of things isn't paying attention to what the beat officers are saying.

Interesting since I do have a degree, but would much prefer to have military experience. In a perfect world I'd have both, and I think those guys/girls are likely to be top-picks.
 

silversvs

Lean, Twist, repeat.....
Hey folks, lets not start baiting kelsodeez. Constructive criticism is one thing, poking him with a stick is something else.
 

silversvs

Lean, Twist, repeat.....
Ken, I was told by two difference police chiefs in the bay area that I had more documented experience with weapons, tactics and leadership under fire than they had amassed in 25+ years as a police officer. But that wasn't enough since the other guy had a college degree and at the time, I didn't. Every single police science course I took in college was taught by a current or former LEO and each one of them at some point in the course, usually in the beginning, reminded the class that a college degree doesn't automatically mean you'll be a better police officer. They said life experience and proven reliability were vastly more important. I guess this is another part of law enforcement where the administration side of things isn't paying attention to what the beat officers are saying.

You never really know what you are looking for until you find it. Like a good BBQ sauce you need the right mix of a variety of ingredients. Too much of one or not enough of another fouls the whole batch. And like BBQ sauce, nobody can ever agree on what's just right. Each person gets to decide what they like and are looking for in an acceptable sauce.

The important thing is to keep letting folks sample your sauce till you find someone who wants to buy it.
 

bojangle

FN # 40
Staff member
You never really know what you are looking for until you find it. Like a good BBQ sauce you need the right mix of a variety of ingredients. Too much of one or not enough of another fouls the whole batch. And like BBQ sauce, nobody can ever agree on what's just right. Each person gets to decide what they like and are looking for in an acceptable sauce.

The important thing is to keep letting folks sample your sauce till you find someone who wants to buy it.

:laughing :thumbup That's funny, but it's true. ^^^

I went to the academy at 23 and started at 24........been in the business about 17 years now.
 

Kornholio

:wave
You never really know what you are looking for until you find it. Like a good BBQ sauce you need the right mix of a variety of ingredients. Too much of one or not enough of another fouls the whole batch. And like BBQ sauce, nobody can ever agree on what's just right. Each person gets to decide what they like and are looking for in an acceptable sauce.

The important thing is to keep letting folks sample your sauce till you find someone who wants to buy it.

Ewww. :laughing

Thanks John, but I hung up my hat with the police stuff awhile ago. If I were to ever move out of California I'd consider it again but at this point my fallback career has proven to be a good decision.
 

Shaggy

Zoinks!!!!
Life experience doesn't matter much these days, huh?

How long you been under the parents wings?

Going on 31 years now..... :laughing

To clarify, my comment wasn't an attack on homeboy. I was hoping that he would recognize the pattern that others have noticed.
 

Honey Badger

...iz a girl

TheRiddler

Riddle me this.
Chief Landsdowne was on the news last night talking about officer shortages due to lack of qualified applicants. The department has tons of baby boomers stepping out this year and they're still looking for qualified applicants.

Just in case anyone still looking wants to work somewhere where the winters are mild...

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This is likely to be the case in a lot of departments. Baby boomers are hitting retirement age, and will continue to do so for the next ~10 years. It won't just be police, it will be all occupations.
 
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