An interesting news report about firearms in Canada

Feanor

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I agree that the underlying reasons behind gun crime are more complex than simple numbers, but this report was very enlightening about how our neighbors to the north treat gun ownership.

Personally, I wouldn't mind at all being consistently checked, and waiting a few months to be approved for a gun license that would from then on, allow me to buy almost any kind of gun thru the mail.

Canada's Gun Laws
 
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mrzuzzo

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Haven't watched it but Canadian gun laws are very restrictive. I'll pass.

Also, big difference in mentality, amount of "ghettos", welfare funding, historical segregation in communities, etc.

I don't think that the stupid restrictive "laws" really make any relevance and it's very short-sighted to assume that implementing a law like in another country will somehow alter people's behavior here.
 
byke

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Feanor said:
Personally, I wouldn't mind at all being consistently checked, and waiting a few months to be approved for a gun license that would from then on, allow me to buy almost any kind of gun thru the mail.
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Totally agree. I don't like the 5rd limit on long guns and could ramble a bit about self defense in Canada, as well as in the US, but I don't see any problems with their licensing. Plus, you have to appreciate the uniformity in their gun laws. We're absolutely ridiculous in that area.
 
RightCoastBias

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I couldn't imagine not being able to defend myself against someone illegally/forcibly entering my property.
 
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Feanor

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mrzuzzo said:
Haven't watched it but Canadian gun laws are very restrictive. I'll pass.

Also, big difference in mentality, amount of "ghettos", welfare funding, historical segregation in communities, etc.

I don't think that the stupid restrictive "laws" really make any relevance and it's very short-sighted to assume that implementing a law like in another country will somehow alter people's behavior here.
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All valid points (addressed in the video too)

I see it more like a system which is not "more" restrictive, but more "proactive". They'll get you before, whereas we try to make you rot in jail after.

It's kind of like TSA Pre screening to me. You get to zip thru and bypass the airport lines faster, but you have to jump thru some hoops first for the priviledge.

After you get your PAL you can order an AR-15 online delivered to your local post office for pickup. Being in California, that seems pretty sweet.
 
mrzuzzo

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Feanor said:
After you get your PAL you can order an AR-15 online delivered to your local post office for pickup. Being in California, that seems pretty sweet.
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An AR-15 with a 5 round mag seems pretty sweet? :wtf

Plus I believe an AR-15 would be a restricted firearm (maybe I'm wrong?) so you have to abide by the stupid transport rules and authorizations too.
 
Feanor

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RightCoastBias said:
I couldn't imagine not being able to defend myself against someone illegally/forcibly entering my property.
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I think the Canadians have this set up by design. They never say you can't defend yourself with a gun. They say "it's illegal to shoot someone, with exception" and that its up to a judge to decide. They may actually be more in line with our stand your ground laws than we are, even though their laws speak to the contrary. If someone busts thru your door with a knife shouting that you're dead meat, and you're backed in a corner with a gun, I wouldn't be surprised if the outcome of that if you shot that person might not be identical in both countries. Also if you confronted someone in your home with a gun and your kids were down the hall.

It might be very much like lane sharing in this state. The CHP that watches you doing it decides if its illegal or not, though 99 times out of 100 it's deemed acceptable (justified)
 
Feanor

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mrzuzzo said:
An AR-15 with a 5 round mag seems pretty sweet? :wtf

Plus I believe an AR-15 would be a restricted firearm (maybe I'm wrong?) so you have to abide by the stupid transport rules and authorizations too.
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Actually it does :) but I have to qualify that because I'm more of a long distance shooter so I try to make each of those 5 count :) But Seriously, it is a frustrating restriction, but on the flip side, I could order a Criss Vector, an M1A, an HK-91, an SL-8 etc delivered to the UPS store down the street. None of which I can dream of doing now in this State even if I were an FFL.

I understand where you're coming from though. I oppose any restrictions on firearms including testrictions on fully automatic weapons. I think the first and most achievable step to gaining that, or at least preserving what we have, is rigorous and consistent requirements in owner training, licensing and screening. I have a radical plan. Instead of disarming everyone, make it easy for law abiding, responsible adults to own more firearms if they desire. I would wait months for the priviledge :)
 
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MysterYvil

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Don't get divorced.
Don't leave a relationship.
Don't go bankrupt.

And don't bother to study, because the reporter scored 94% on her written test.
 
Feanor

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MysterYvil said:
Don't get divorced.
Don't leave a relationship.
Don't go bankrupt.

And don't bother to study, because the reporter scored 94% on her written test.
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Actually you can do each of those three things 20 times if you want, it only triggers further inquiry (not disqualification) if they happened within the last year :) Kind of analgous to the 24 hour waiting period before getting a tattoo lol!

She also said she got a 94% on her written driving test without study not the firearms test :) And most everyone is constantly exposed to driving everyday of their lives wether they drive or not, but almost all would be hardpressed to describe how to correctly handle a misfire in a Colt 1911 if asked.
 
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ScarySpikes

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mrzuzzo said:
Haven't watched it but Canadian gun laws are very restrictive. I'll pass.

Also, big difference in mentality, amount of "ghettos", welfare funding, historical segregation in communities, etc.

I don't think that the stupid restrictive "laws" really make any relevance and it's very short-sighted to assume that implementing a law like in another country will somehow alter people's behavior here.
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Actually I think the biggest difference is specifically the gun culture here vs. Canada. Specifically looking at how people talked about guns in the video from Canada, vs. how they did at the NRA meet. (The NRA types were pretty nutty)

I liked their system until about the 9 minute mark of the video or so. A long initial period to get a gun license with required classes and a test (albeit apparently a stupid easy one), but after that you can order guns online and have them arrive in a week? cool. A requirement to prove you are still responsible and safe to renew that license? sure.

Daily Background checks? No, fuck off. The Fourth Amendment already gets ignored too many times for my liking. Also agree to a certain extent as the Canadian gun shop owner said that classifying some guns as not ok and others as ok is silly.

But yea, it just wouldn't work here. The cultures surrounding guns are too different and the one here is very resistant to any change.
 
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MysterYvil

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lol, what do you know about guns in Mexico? :laughing
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Only what I heard from my father (who lived in Oaxaca) and my neighbors (who grew up all over Mexico). That they have draconian gun laws (think Newson's wet dream) but that firearms are all over and are often used nevertheless.

What do you know?
 
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MysterYvil said:
Only what I heard from my father (who lived in Oaxaca) and my neighbors (who grew up all over Mexico). That they have draconian gun laws (think Newson's wet dream) but that firearms are all over and are often used nevertheless.

What do you know?
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I have very little experience about the laws and culture in Mexico, but I wonder often if it is similar to the Philippines; draconian gun laws, but absolutely rampant government corruption on just about every level. Pay off the right person and whammo, you've got a full auto MP5. The pervasiveness of such corruption also connected to a very entrenched organized crime culture (an environment where guns and gun crime flourish)

Corruption exists in this country as well of course but it is far more "refined" if that's the right word; existing much farther up the levels of government and for far more money therefore having less direct impact on guns being in circulation specifically involved in crime.

Pure conjecture on my part though
 
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Feanor said:
Corruption exists in this country as well of course but it is far more "refined" if that's the right word; existing much farther up the levels of government and for far more money therefore having less direct impact on guns being in circulation specifically involved in crime.

Pure conjecture on my part though
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Think Leland Yee and Eric Holder and your spot on.

With regards to the Canadian laws, no thanks. Their system would be happily abused by anti-gun democratically run states.
 
Feanor

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Ridley said:
Think Leland Yee and Eric Holder and your spot on.

With regards to the Canadian laws, no thanks. Their system would be happily abused by anti-gun democratically run states.
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You might be right. I guess it might also be a hidden wish that my countrymen were more reasonable and less prone to the extremes.

I was actually thinking of gov't corruption even farther up 😊 Like a senator sending private contractors from his own company into a foreign warzone.

But Leland Yee was a definitely a good example.
 
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