SneakyKeaks
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Am I at fault accident on NB 101 after Ceaser Chavez
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S1KGSXR600
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Yes. Unsafe lane change. You cut off the vehicle by filtering too early.
What if a car switched lanes and took out your front tire with its bumper? Then theyd be at fault, yeah?
edit: I see that in your description you say 'hit my bag when failed to signal lane change' were you switching into her lane when she was merging into yours and that caused the collision? The camera doesnt show the cars actions.
What if a car switched lanes and took out your front tire with its bumper? Then theyd be at fault, yeah?
edit: I see that in your description you say 'hit my bag when failed to signal lane change' were you switching into her lane when she was merging into yours and that caused the collision? The camera doesnt show the cars actions.
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busapassion
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Yes. Unsafe lane change. You cut off the vehicle by filtering too early.
I agree.
I agree.
SneakyKeaks
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Move completely into the open lane
SneakyKeaks
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I guess I inder estimated the flow of traffic I was under the impression I was in lane 2 and the driver proceded into the number 2 lane
horsepower
WaterRider/Landsurfer
What both drivers do AFTER the crash which is visible is what concerns me far more.
Why did car driver have to -quite literally- turn a 90 degree right turn off the freeway to get to the shoulder ?? I would ticket her for a gridlock code violation not to mention that it coukd be potentially deadly and cause more crashes.
Terrible terrible driver.
Equally potentially deadly was your behavior. You should have either pulled far in front and way off of the shoulder in front of her car, then gone back by foot to the passenger window to suggest exiting. But your path was asking for death a few times: you even go back into the #4 lane to talk to her.!!?...lucky you didn't get rear ended.
That and quite terrible filtering. i counted at least 6 instances wherein said result COULD have happened before that one happened...and all would have been your fault.
Own the lane asap.
Why did car driver have to -quite literally- turn a 90 degree right turn off the freeway to get to the shoulder ?? I would ticket her for a gridlock code violation not to mention that it coukd be potentially deadly and cause more crashes.
Terrible terrible driver.
Equally potentially deadly was your behavior. You should have either pulled far in front and way off of the shoulder in front of her car, then gone back by foot to the passenger window to suggest exiting. But your path was asking for death a few times: you even go back into the #4 lane to talk to her.!!?...lucky you didn't get rear ended.
That and quite terrible filtering. i counted at least 6 instances wherein said result COULD have happened before that one happened...and all would have been your fault.
Own the lane asap.
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Let's try to bring this back to the intent of the Crash Analysis Forum:
What caused the crash? What could we (the motorcyclist) have done to have prevented this situation? What can we learn from this so that this doesn't happen to us?
Fault and post-crash topics can provide great information, but don't really fit with the intent of CA.
What caused the crash? What could we (the motorcyclist) have done to have prevented this situation? What can we learn from this so that this doesn't happen to us?
Fault and post-crash topics can provide great information, but don't really fit with the intent of CA.
S1KGSXR600
Well-known member
IMO, quick and assertive lane changing is most effective when splitting, long as conditions permit such a maneuver (following distance of other cars)
SneakyKeaks
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I never once walked in to the number 4 lane to speak to the driver
Archimedes
Fire Watcher
I agree that I would put the blame on you for that one for not clearing her before entering the #1 lane. I also agree with the earlier poster that stopping next to her car in the #4 lane wasn't a good idea. Safer to get well off the road first before stopping like that.
Personally, I wouldn't split in the dark at all, but that's just me.
Personally, I wouldn't split in the dark at all, but that's just me.
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sanjuro
Rider
This is the rarely occurring part of my approach to lanesplitting: approach slow, pass fast.
Usually the mistake with lanesplitting is approaching too fast to react to vehicles, but in this case, the driver mis-estimated the space between his car and the rider's case, as well as the passing speed.
While not passing would have been one strategy, passing quickly would have taken the rider out of harm's danger. There were indicators that this car was going to merge, braking right next to an open gap in the adjacent lane. Looking more closely, I realize the car ahead was also braking, which made the rider slow a tiny bit.
I think the other thing which could have been done is looking farther ahead. The car next to me should no longer be my concern but if I am going too slow...
Usually the mistake with lanesplitting is approaching too fast to react to vehicles, but in this case, the driver mis-estimated the space between his car and the rider's case, as well as the passing speed.
While not passing would have been one strategy, passing quickly would have taken the rider out of harm's danger. There were indicators that this car was going to merge, braking right next to an open gap in the adjacent lane. Looking more closely, I realize the car ahead was also braking, which made the rider slow a tiny bit.
I think the other thing which could have been done is looking farther ahead. The car next to me should no longer be my concern but if I am going too slow...
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SneakyKeaks
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I thought I was the only one who noticed that
Entoptic
Red Power!
When traffic ahead of you is stopping it is best to not split until the traffic settles down. I have noticed that cars like to position themselves to get through traffic and that usually means quick lane changes before hitting traffic jams.
So happy to see that you weren't hurt.
So happy to see that you weren't hurt.
dkcwenge
Mission Peak
I am guessing that the SUV to your left moved into you and pushed you over. Is that right?
One of the biggest observations that I had was the spaces that opened up during the time you were filtering through traffic. At that speed, I'd be really cautious about moving "between cars" because this is exactly the speed / situation that cars love changing their minds and switching lanes. If you happen to be passing between a car and an empty space, you may get a car moving into you, whether it's your fault or not.
Position-wise, you may be "faultless", but at that speed it's hard for a car to react that quickly.
Furthermore, the higher the speed differential (btwn you and the rest of traffic), it gives you less of an ability to maneuver into a safe space if something were to happen. If you were traveling much closer to the speed of the rest of traffic, you could have swerved into the empty lane as the car was moving into you.
One of the biggest observations that I had was the spaces that opened up during the time you were filtering through traffic. At that speed, I'd be really cautious about moving "between cars" because this is exactly the speed / situation that cars love changing their minds and switching lanes. If you happen to be passing between a car and an empty space, you may get a car moving into you, whether it's your fault or not.
Position-wise, you may be "faultless", but at that speed it's hard for a car to react that quickly.
Furthermore, the higher the speed differential (btwn you and the rest of traffic), it gives you less of an ability to maneuver into a safe space if something were to happen. If you were traveling much closer to the speed of the rest of traffic, you could have swerved into the empty lane as the car was moving into you.
dkcwenge
Mission Peak
here are some diagrams that i sketched out to illustrate my point.
(note: sketching stuff on http://draw.accidentsketch.com/ is so easy!)
The first picture is a situation I would personally avoid (which is the case in point from the OP's situation) and highly likely scenario of a car changing lanes.
All this happens anywhere from 5 - 20 mph.
(note: sketching stuff on http://draw.accidentsketch.com/ is so easy!)
The first picture is a situation I would personally avoid (which is the case in point from the OP's situation) and highly likely scenario of a car changing lanes.
All this happens anywhere from 5 - 20 mph.
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SneakyKeaks
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Ty for the diagrams