ADV-suitable textiles.

ScorpioVI

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After our trip to the NV desert this past weekend, and then hitting the 100+ heat in the Central Valley, I really need a new set of textiles. I'm currently wearing a Frank Thomas Aquaforce top & bottom that's really more suitable for wet and winter, and I was burning up and dehydrating all weekend. I need something that breathes a little better (doing Baja next month) and yet still has suitable armor to protect against the inevitable falls.

What are you wearing, and what can you recommend?
 

HiggyB

Now flyin' solo...
I ride with a REV'IT Cayenne Pro two-piece (pants/jacket combo). It has two zip in liners (one rain, one warmth, with both I sweat in all but the coldest weather). Remove them both and you can still stay vented well enough, but it is still a bit warm for me when riding in hotter temps so when hot & off-road I swap the jacket for a MX jersey with an A* Bionic protection jacket underneath.


I really like the Rev'It suit, it offers decent ventilation and great protection, and it's very versatile in the heat, the cold, the wet and the dry.
 

paladinnorcal

Well-known member
Olympia Motorsports Stealth one piece mesh. You can see them at Scuderia.

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boney

Miles > Posts
I ride with a REV'IT Cayenne Pro two-piece (pants/jacket combo). It has two zip in liners (one rain, one warmth, with both I sweat in all but the coldest weather). Remove them both and you can still stay vented well enough, but it is still a bit warm for me when riding in hotter temps so when hot & off-road I swap the jacket for a MX jersey with an A* Bionic protection jacket underneath.


I really like the Rev'It suit, it offers decent ventilation and great protection, and it's very versatile in the heat, the cold, the wet and the dry.

I've got an older Cayenne from Rev'It. Good stuff, taken some environmental impact studies in it, and it still washes clean like new. If you're looking for a warm weather only jacket, you might want to look at the Off-Track, if they still make it. It vents better than the Cayenne but still has most of the features.
 

ScorpioVI

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Thanks guys. Gonna go look at the RevIt stuff at Road Rider and MotoStrano this week.
 

Double-D

Well-known member
I know it costs a %$#@ load, but the BMW Rallye Pro 2 suit is awesome! I've worn it in freezing temps with a fleece under it and was just down in DV with 110 temps and was ok. (Even rode some single track with a fully loaded DRZ.) I've also tasted pavement with it, and while there is a small rip in my pants my leg is fine.

Pricey and it says BMW all over it (which I hate, but some love), but for me it's the ultimate suit.

Cheers!
 

Burning1

I'm scareoused!
From what I understand, venting isn't as critical as you'd think in the desert. Yes, you need something that breaths a little. But to keep cool, you don't want that 110 degree wind blowing on you. Instead, I hear most adventurers wrap a wet towel around their neck.
 

luckett

The Green Bastard
From what I understand, venting isn't as critical as you'd think in the desert.

:rofl

Your understanding is amusing.


scorpio, check out these also:
joe rocket alter ego
tour master flex jacket
fieldsheer four season pant
firstgear torrent mesh jacket
firstgear kilimanjaro air jacket
 

slackmeyer

Well-known member
I'm going to agree with burning1 on this one, with a disclaimer- you need to be moving a bit, at least. In temps over 105, I like to be in a vented, but not mesh, jacket, with open cuffs and a soaked neck wrap, t-shirt, and helmet.

IMHO.

Even with a setup like this, it's amazing how much water I can drink in a couple hours of riding. I think you'd just get more dehydrated with mesh.

zak
 

Double-D

Well-known member
From what I understand, venting isn't as critical as you'd think in the desert. Yes, you need something that breaths a little. But to keep cool, you don't want that 110 degree wind blowing on you. Instead, I hear most adventurers wrap a wet towel around their neck.

I have to agree with Chris on this one, although we might just be arguing semantics. I've spent a lot of time in the desert and can tell you having a vented suit is the only option. I get your point about the hand out the window, but you need air flow to evaporate your sweat to keep you cool. Direct air isn't what you want ie. keep your face sheild closed. But a vented suit that allows air to flow around your body is a must. The BMW suit has full arm vents, chest vents, rib vents, and vents out the back to allow the air to flow all the way through the jacket.

The towel around the neck is also a very good idea, excpet that you'd have to re-wet it constantly in a place like Death Valley. I was there in the spring once and my friend nailed me with a water cannon. I was smoking a cigarette and it got completly soaked. It was so dry there the damn thing dried out and was ready to smoke less than a minute later.
 
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boney

Miles > Posts
From what I understand, venting isn't as critical as you'd think in the desert. Yes, you need something that breaths a little. But to keep cool, you don't want that 110 degree wind blowing on you. Instead, I hear most adventurers wrap a wet towel around their neck.

To further expand on this train of thought:

When it's really hot, your sweat evaporates super fast. This creates a situation where you can dehydrate or get your electrolytes off balance in a hurry because your body is constantly sweating out your water trying to cool you. Also, IMO, your sweat/wet t-shirt/cool towel dries out so quickly that it becomes a hassle to keep it wet/drink enough water.

If you put a wet t-shirt on and ride with a mesh jacket on, you will get GREAT cooling, for a few minutes. You might even get cold. But under a jacket that allows air movement with vents, you'll get good, or maybe only adequate cooling for a much longer time. This is important...

As your body gets cold- especially your extremities, the vessels begin to constrict. This is a natural response to preserve heat when it's cold out. By putting a wet t-shirt or towel around your neck, then allowing the water to evaporate out of it at a high rate, you're cooling your body to a point where it may begin to shunt the blood to your core. This is counter-intuitive to your goal. You're making a section of your body cold, while not cooling your core.

Taking the same wet shirt/towel, and controlling the rate at which the water evaporates, you don't lower the temperature of your skin to the point where the vessels constrict. This keeps the blood flow going, and the cooling effect reaches your core and your brain. For short rides it probably doesn't make a difference, but if you're going to be in the desert for a day or longer, you will be better off with this approach.

Think of it like this:
Would you rather have cold for 10 minutes, or cool for 30?


There's also heat transfer occuring from the air to you. A 110 degree wind WILL warm your body. The more wind, the more efficiently it will warm you. Keeping the wind off helps. Lowing the temperature inside your jacket is better. Effectively managing the air flow/heat transfer/evaporation that is occurring around your body is the best. Not riding in the extreme heat is ideal.
 

Burning1

I'm scareoused!
Thanks for the feedback, Boney. I've never ridden in the desert, so what I know is based only on what I've read.

I have to agree with Chris on this one, although we might just be arguing semantics. I've spent a lot of time in the desert and can tell you having a vented suit is the only option.

Vented, or Mesh?

For instance, my Rev'it infinity breathes through the waterproof fabric. Sweat can evaporate through the suit. The front and rear zippers can be opened for controlled airflow through the chest, and the cuffs can be loosened to allow airflow up the arms.

BTW: Look at my name. :p
 

Double-D

Well-known member
Vented, or Mesh?

Yeah I think I was just misunderstanding what you were saying. Mesh would work though, if you had a long sleaved breathable fabric shirt on under it. Direct contact with 110 degree air is not good, hence closing your face sheild, but you do need air to flow around you with vents. Oh, and drink a lot of water. It's a pain to do but I carry a gallon of water with me.
 

squidhunter

suck.squeeze.bang.blow.
I guess I'll throw in my 2-cents and say that I've been happy with my Stitch. I've worn it from sub-frezing (layers) to 100+ days in relative comfort. I've also crash-tested it on Calaveras Rd at around 35mph :)mad gravel) and it held up very well. However, it sucks for off-road...way too hot for the slow speed stuff. The BMW gear would probably be better for the ADV stuff if you got the $$.
 

rean1mator

Well-known member
ace motorsport was having a preetty big sale on teh offtrack jacket last month.

i've been wearing the rev'it ultimate pants and scirocco jacket and really like both as well. won't be quite as expensive as the cayenne and a better warm weather jacket.



Thanks guys. Gonna go look at the RevIt stuff at Road Rider and MotoStrano this week.
 

psychocandy

wrecker
i think someone mentioned in another thread that a lot BMW stuff is re-branded Rev'It gear. in retrospect, that make a lot of sense as the designs look pretty similar. i haven't owned any Rev'It gear besides gloves (need to save some $$$), but it fits my body type really well and feels really quality. if you're tall and lanky, i'd recommend trying their stuff on for sure. nice to have stuff that fits all the way through rather than swimming in a jacket with long enough sleeves, or having too short legs on a pair of pants that fit your waist.

I know it costs a %$#@ load, but the BMW Rallye Pro 2 suit is awesome! I've worn it in freezing temps with a fleece under it and was just down in DV with 110 temps and was ok. (Even rode some single track with a fully loaded DRZ.) I've also tasted pavement with it, and while there is a small rip in my pants my leg is fine.

Pricey and it says BMW all over it (which I hate, but some love), but for me it's the ultimate suit.

Cheers!
 

Burning1

I'm scareoused!
i think someone mentioned in another thread that a lot BMW stuff is re-branded Rev'It gear.

Citation please? I've spent time around both the BMW gear and the Rev'it gear. Both are of exceptional quality, however there are very noticeable differences between the brands.
 

psychocandy

wrecker
umm, does it matter? they're both expensive and seem to work well. like i said, i think someone mentioned it in another thread. this ain't the encyclopedia britannica. hell, it isn't even wikipedia!

Citation please? I've spent time around both the BMW gear and the Rev'it gear. Both are of exceptional quality, however there are very noticeable differences between the brands.
 
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