2020 Day Trading thread

Hell yes man. I have open puts on NFLX, DAL and a call on SPXS.

I've got:
  • DB $5.5p 4/24 (-33%)
  • VSTO $10c 5/15 (+35%)
  • AOBC $9c 6/19 (+0%)
  • AOBC $10c 6/19 (+7.94%)
  • AOBC $7p 6/19 (-30%)
  • F $6c 9/18 (-8.62%)
  • MCFT $7.5c 10/16 (+3.63%)
  • USO $5c 10/16 (-25.42%)
  • VSTO $10c 12/18 (+12.32%)
  • AOBC $10c 1/15/21 (+7.36%)

I made a bit off of $T, $F, $AMD, $CAR so far. Only started trading options like a month or two ago. Still learning all the spreads, diagonals, iron condors, etc. so I've just been doing basic puts and calls so far.
 

DesiDucati

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I've got:
  • DB $5.5p 4/24 (-33%)
  • VSTO $10c 5/15 (+35%)
  • AOBC $9c 6/19 (+0%)
  • AOBC $10c 6/19 (+7.94%)
  • AOBC $7p 6/19 (-30%)
  • F $6c 9/18 (-8.62%)
  • MCFT $7.5c 10/16 (+3.63%)
  • USO $5c 10/16 (-25.42%)
  • VSTO $10c 12/18 (+12.32%)
  • AOBC $10c 1/15/21 (+7.36%)

I made a bit off of $T, $F, $AMD, $CAR so far. Only started trading options like a month or two ago. Still learning all the spreads, diagonals, iron condors, etc. so I've just been doing basic puts and calls so far.

I’ve read up on options but how do you react fast enough to sell or quit your positions in time. Those iron condors look like it can just make you lose both ends if you don’t constant babysit your positions.
 
Mobile apps help here, but you can also set options to automatically sell if they hit a certain price point (you can set max, min, etc). So for example you think a certain stock, let's say BARF, is going to increase. It's currently at $10, and you think that with everyone staying home or losing their jobs more people will be using BARF, thus increasing their price. But by how much? Let's say you think BARF will hit $12 by June. So you buy a call, which is a bet that the stock will go up, with a strike of $12 and expiration date of 6/19. This option costs you $0.50 for a 100 shares contract, so $50 total (0.5 * 100). After you purchase it and the order fills (meaning, you placed your order, and someone decided to sell you the contract for $50), you can immediately turn around and place it back on the market saying "if the value of this option contract hits $0.60, sell it." Well, wheelie Wednesday is right out and let's say there's a spike in traffic today because Stanley Roberts encourages people to spend time on BARF instead of going out joyriding, and correspondingly, the stock price gets a bump up to $11. It's not quite at $12 yet, but the upward momentum bumps up your contract value a little bit to where your option is now worth $0.60 since it looks like BARF will indeed hit $12 long before June. Since you had the order to sell pending, and your condition was met, it executes, someone buys it, and you just made a small gain of about $10.

Multiply that out by however many contracts you buy, subtract your premiums, and that's how you make a bit of scratch doing this.

On the other hand, there's a lot of risk involved too - let's say you think it's going to go up but it goes down instead. And never comes back above the price of what you bought it for - maybe Budman gets arrested for fraud, maybe he enables ads, either way BARF tanks down to $5. Your option contract now may be worthless, but it also may expire and you get assigned. This means you're now on the hook to buy those 100 shares of BARF at a higher price than they're worth, so you lose a lot more than $50.

I'm probably not doing the greatest job explaining options here, Entoptic may be able to flesh it out more, but that's the gist of what I posted above. You can buy options that expire tomorrow, next week, next month, whatever, at the beginning of the day, and sell them by the end of the day if they go up. Hold for another day if they don't. I'm only playing with small money here, there are guys who throw around hundreds of thousands or even millions on this stuff. I've grown about $1k starting to around $3500 but I treat it like gambling for now - if I lose it all, I lose it all, and sit on my hands for a bit.
 
Perfect timing - so I placed an order for 4 contracts of RGR calls, 5/15 exp, strike price $60. They cost me $0.60, so $0.60 * 100 = $60, $60 * 4 = $240. I immediately went in and placed a limit sell on them, for $0.75. So, if the stock moves up or the option moves up (correlated but not always exact), and the option becomes worth $0.75, it'll sell, and I'll have made $75 * 4 = $300, -$240 = $60.

Edit - it just sold, so $60 profit for maybe 5 min worth of work setting the triggers.

Again, small potatoes here as I'm still learning, but also RGR is a stock that IF I get assigned, I don't mind owning and holding long term anyway - they have a nice dividend and have maintained a fairly steady average despite volatility. However, $60 is higher than they've been in the last 2-3 years. I'm betting that with the panic buying of guns due to Covid-19, combined with the 2020 election year and gun control politics, their stock will spike again - the last time it was above $60 was in late 2018 (mid term elections). Prior to that it hit almost $70 in 2016 just before the election. So I'm hoping it hits $60 within the next month and then I'll roll the calls into September / October / November calls.
 
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clutchslip

Not as fast as I look.
Anyone thinking about buying Hertz?
Based on the news so far it’s going to jump all over the place before the 5th.

https://www.barrons.com/amp/article...dering-bankruptcy-what-could-mean-51588279379

It’s shocking that a company that used to trade at 125 might die because of the Covid19 pandemic.
Not really. The government power hungry morons will let everything die in their quest to be the best doctor in the history of the world.

The qualifications for day-trader established by the SEC is slightly different than the IRS. The SEC wants to protect small investors, so a minimum of $25k in an account is required to be considered a day trader, and then you can lose everything without any legal recourse.

The IRS treats a day-trader as a business rather than an passive investor. This makes a huge difference on what you can deduct as expenses on your return. If you do this as a living and can prove it, the number of trades is actually irrelevant.

I once traded an oil-exploration stock seventy-eight (78) times in one day. Do you think I was a day trader, or just crazy? :rofl
 
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