WTF? Is it snowing in hell?

[motorman4life]

I have been out of town camping.. cut off from "civilization" for the past 5 days.. I heard it was hot here while I was away, but apparently there is a reson it was hot as hades here.. I see it is snowing in hell.
Nevada ACLU backs gun owners' rights.

I know it is Nevada and not a particularly liberal state.. but, it is amazing nonetheless. arty

 

[monstermonster]

The ACLU--for better or for worse--bills itself as an organization devoted to protecting individual rights. That means it often takes unpopular positions in favor of individual rights and against government and/or the majority viewpoint. Now that the Supreme Court has recognized that there is a Second Amendment individual right to bear arms, the NV ACLU is doing what the ACLU says that it does: protecting individual rights. Individual ACLU chapters are not bound by the national organization's position. It's not unusual for two different ACLU chapters to be on the opposite side of an issue.

Or had you boiled it down in your head to something as simple as ACLU=liberal=hates gun? :rolleyes

 

[Bikerx260]

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Or had you boiled it down in your head to something as simple as ACLU=liberal=hates gun? :rolleyes

Actually, NV ACLU is the ONLY state ACLU org to recognize the INDIVIDUAL RIGHT the 2nd Amendment secures following the USSC's ruling.

So yes, in 49 of 50 states, ACLU=liberal=hates guns.:teeth

 

[motorman4life]

It is not in my head. The ACLU has a reputation for disregarding individual rights when they are conservative issues.. like the rights of police officers, etc.. it is not like the National ACLU backs the Nevada ACLU.. it is a break from their norm.. enough that it waranted a headline and the article says the Nevada group's decision is not supported by the ACLU at large.. so I guess that contradicts your theory. If it

The ACLU is for liberal, anti-government, causes and merely uses their interpretation of Constitution as a weapon. IMNSHO, they are for rights without responsibilities and just like "stickin' it to the man."

 

[monstermonster]

just like "stickin' it to the man."

True dat. :cool

 

[serazin]

The ACLU founders must be rolling over in their graves. How can any socialist organization support gun ownership?

Don't trust them. It's a trap.

 

[moto-rama]

I have been out of town camping.. cut off from "civilization" for the past 5 days.. I heard it was hot here while I was away, but apparently there is a reson it was hot as hades here.. I see it is snowing in hell.
Nevada ACLU backs gun owners' rights.

I know it is Nevada and not a particularly liberal state.. but, it is amazing nonetheless. arty

The ACLU does not play favorites. If you check your history, you will see they have had some strange bedfellows.

The Supremes on the other hand....are always politically motivated, as far back as Dred Scott...
The intent of the Bill of Rights and Constitution are mostly clear, it's the interpretations that have been biased.

 

[motorman4life]

The ACLU does not play favorites. If you check your history, you will see they have had some strange bedfellows.

The Supremes on the other hand....are always politically motivated, as far back as Dred Scott...
The intent of the Bill of Rights and Constitution are mostly clear, it's the interpretations that have been biased.

The ACLU does play favorites. I know police officers that have had their rights trampled and the ACLU laughed them out of the office. One got support from the NAACP, the other paid for his own lawyer and won a mint. Both had strong cases and both were the "type" of case I have seen them take up for others when the "victim" fit their "profile."

I have no doubt that there is a rare exception where they have had strange bedfellows, but that does not make that a rule and that is not a testament to their impartiality or pure vision. They clearly have an agenda and supporting everyone’s rights equally is NOT a part of it.

I will not debate the fact that the Supreme Court has shown political bias. I think that is obvious.

 

[masameet]

I bet somewhere in the United States there's at least one, if not two, perhaps even one thousand, card-carrying members of both the ACLU and the NRA.

 

[motorman4life]

I bet somewhere in the United States there's at least one, if not two, perhaps even one thousand, card-carrying members of both the ACLU and the NRA.

Yeah, and I'll lay you odds that there are thousands of members of the NAACP that are as white as Ron Howard.. does that mean the NAACP is a "white" organization?

 

[masameet]

The aim of the NAACP continues to be one of ensuring that certain minorities receive equal treatment as the majority under American law. Why is it that you make the NAACP a color issue instead of one regarding the attainment of basic American civil rights?

As to the ACLU, it's like any other organization or any individual -- it picks the fights it thinks it can win.

 

[motorman4life]

As to the ACLU, it's like any other organization or any individual -- it chooses the causes that fit it's profile.

Fixed! :teeth

They are hypocrites, pure and simple. They claim to stand for American Civil Liberties, but they are communist/socialists that want nothing more than to be a cancer eating the U.S. up from the inside, using the "system" to hamstring the "establishment" they see as being run for the benefit of corporations. They don't care about the individual's rights or liberties.. they just like to muckrake and discredit conservatives and their causes.

Funny, if a white person calls a minority "colored" they are racist.. but the NAACP is the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

Go figure.

 

[GetaGripGreg]

Fixed! :teeth

They claim to stand for American Civil Liberties,
Go figure.

It isn't a "claim", it is their name. The American Civil Liberties Union.

OMG, they stand up for YOUR civil liberty to own a weapon, based on the constitution.

Yep. Radicals that want to destroy America.

 

[monstermonster]

Fixed! :teeth
They are hypocrites, pure and simple. They claim to stand for American Civil Liberties, but they are communist/socialists that want nothing more than to be a cancer eating the U.S. up from the inside, using the "system" to hamstring the "establishment" they see as being run for the benefit of corporations. They don't care about the individual's rights or liberties.. they just like to muckrake and discredit conservatives and their causes.

So much anger. Sounds like someone needs a hug. :laughing

 

[masameet]

He doesn't want a hug.

He wants a mug of beer!

 

[masameet]

Funny, if a white person calls a minority "colored" they are racist.. but the NAACP is the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

Go figure.

I believe the NAACP has discussed removing colored but retained it for its historic significance.

And considering why the NAACP came into being, during a time when Black Americans were called colored and the n-word and discriminated against viciously and whole-heartedly by white Americans, and how the term colored has lost favor with the coming of the Black civil rights movement, Black Power, and Black is Beautiful, anachronisms are sometimes worth keeping to remind others of past injustices.

 

[motorman4life]

I believe the NAACP has discussed removing colored but retained it for its historic significance.

And considering why the NAACP came into being, during a time when Black Americans were called colored and the n-word and discriminated against viciously and whole-heartedly by white Americans, and how the term colored has lost favor with the coming of the Black civil rights movement, Black Power, and Black is Beautiful, anachronisms are sometimes worth keeping to remind others of past injustices.

I know, I know.. and it's okay for one gay guy to call another a "fag" and one black guy to call another one a nigger.. but you and I aren't allowed to.

It is a racist and inappropriate term or it is not.. you can't have it both ways. Personally, the whole concept of any "race based" organization smacks of racisim in my book. Giving scolarships to people based upon their race.. is racism. Giving preference to or discriminating on people based upon race is racism.

Go figure, the NAACP is A-OKAY.. but a National Association for the Advancement of White People is not. Personally, I think both are WRONG. My boss in a minority, my bosses boss is a minority, my bosses bosses boss is a minority... Hell, do we need to elect Obama to prove it is time to END these types of race-based organizations once and for all? What ever happended to MLK's dream? Stop judging (or assisting) people based uon the color of their skin.. already!

 

[Bikerx260]

Does the ACLU represent me? Heck no, they are and have been consistently eroding this country's constitutional protections in favor of "civil rights".
http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2006/10/04/a-short-history-of-the-aclu/

Think about the difference between "inalienable rights" and "civil rights". Inalienable rights are God given rights, and can not be taken away.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inalienable_rights

Civil rights are rights granted by law, therefore can be taken away with the stroke of a pen.
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/encyclopedia/entry?id=10487



History is a wonderful teacher. I'll take inalienable rights as our Founding Fathers wrote.

It isn't a "claim", it is their name. The American Civil Liberties Union.

OMG, they stand up for YOUR civil liberty to own a weapon, based on the constitution.

Yep. Radicals that want to destroy America.

 

[masameet]

mm4l, are you happy now? Religion has reared its ugly head in the LEO forum. :rolleyes

Our Founding Fathers lived at the end of the Enlightenment period and were heavily influenced by European philosophy that decried despotism and monarchism. Since European royalty, as pharaohs had decreed a millennium before, had insisted their right to rule the people was god-given, our Founding Fathers' insistence on free, property-owning white guys' inalienable rights had nothing to do with religion and more with the intrusion of a country that they no longer felt the need to support.

 

[taranis]

I know, I know.. and it's okay for one gay guy to call another a "fag" and one black guy to call another one a nigger.. but you and I aren't allowed to.

It is a racist and inappropriate term or it is not.. you can't have it both ways. Personally, the whole concept of any "race based" organization smacks of racisim in my book. Giving scolarships to people based upon their race.. is racism. Giving preference to or discriminating on people based upon race is racism.

Go figure, the NAACP is A-OKAY.. but a National Association for the Advancement of White People is not. Personally, I think both are WRONG. My boss in a minority, my bosses boss is a minority, my bosses bosses boss is a minority... Hell, do we need to elect Obama to prove it is time to END these types of race-based organizations once and for all? What ever happended to MLK's dream? Stop judging (or assisting) people based uon the color of their skin.. already!

Organizations like the ACLU and the NAACP are trying to redress the imbalance caused the the darkest stain on this great nations history. Slavery and segregation. These organizations are run by fallible humans just like the police force and I cant claim they are perfect or totally unbiased.

It seems to me that some folks believe the USA has a set ethnicity of Caucasian but happens to have some minority's that need to be integrated. The reality is that this is a country of immigrants that is shaping it own identity outside the racial boundary's of ethnicity and this should be celebrated, but first all the right wingers are going to have to give up on the Norman Rockwell fantasy and accept that the rest of us are a valid part of this great country not just a problem.