ahhh the Keigwins instructor butthurt is strong in this thread... cant say i'm surprised ... and i wasnt gonna 'get all into it' , but here we go
dunno bruh, all the fancy logoed RVs and trailers that *i suppose not all, but many* keigwins instructors have, sexy new bikes, sexy matching gear - someone is paying for all that - kinda puts off the 'we are rich' vibe... not to mention the couple times i've asked for a lead/follow from a Keigwins instructor, they seem disappointed that they actually have to do something extra (because a customer asked), like it really took the wind outta their sails - i'm not the only one who has experienced this.. not to mention i've simply asked a quick question for advice off track and been straight up blown off by a couple Keigwins instructors - i guess they were too cool and too racer fast to waste their time with a scrub like myself. not saying this hasnt happened with other providers, but the Keigwins crew it just seems different. way different; and in an elitist 'we are better than you' kinda not-good-way... its a vibe that i ONLY seem to get from Keigwins, and no other provider, not by a long shot - and I ride with all of them. maybe its just my perception, as a guy who rides used tyres and can barely afford trackdays, so the money and the vibe from it might effect me differently than a better off financially customer
yeah keigwins has a lot of days, which doesnt mean anything to a non-season-pass holder. for 95% of trackday guys, its about the per day cost, which at Keigwins is consistently at least $20 more, (often notably more than that) than other providers. not impressed. and in my experience, you DONT always get what you pay for. i've had cheap PTT or FTD days (near $110 to $120 range) that were WAY more fun and just as organized as a Keigwins day, ONLY difference being that I didnt pay that extra $20 or $60 or whatever it turned out to be for that day. show me ONE keigwins day that is closer to $100 than $200.... good luck - they dont exist. I just bought a weekend at West from PTT for $120/day; and as a FTD season pass holder I bought all those days for $100 AND i get double sessions on Thill east
dont get me wrong, i will still ride keigwins, as I buy trackdays based on WHEN they are 98%, and who they are with only about 2%. just always chaps my hide when I have to pay more than anywhere else - AND again WTF is with a $170 day at West?!??! i love that track and try to make EVERY day EVERY season, but i just cant stomach $170 - thats just fucking insulting; i seriously hope NO ONE shows up on that weekend this month, just to show Keigwins that they cant get away with charging that much.... oh but wait, i forgot, they dont seem to care if no one else shows up - that doesnt seem to be the point of their business from what I can see
and Ken Hill :blah I can get more from listening to his podcasts than from a 1hour seminar listening to him, only way any rider is going to get any real personal attention/tips from him is to do one of his days (big $$$$, way outta my budget) - and NOT just show for a trackday at Keigwins and ask a question or two of him.