*The definitive laneSHARING thread*

racercutie

appassionato di moto
Not true though I think it's under the discretion of the LEO though.

I was in a lane sharing accident and it was the guy in the car's fault.
 

Steve Stansb

Well-known member
Not nessessarily true. Depending in what lane the perc was in and which lane you ar in. Now, If the perc comes over into your lane with proper signaling but you are in his blind spot and doesn't check further then perc ia at faut. Now ir thr rider is splittinglans and you are in the recp lane,but behind the perc, the rider chooses to change lane, but not look for room thr rider is at fault. If there is a lane reduction up ahead and everyone starts to slowdown and there is alot of vehicle chaging lanes, then the bike better pick a spot that is safe and stsy still till it is safe to go again If the bike tries to force himself andguns his way thru, but hit someone hes toast.
Steve
F CA
 

K-dog

Well-known member
Got witnesses? If not, you're probably at fault. If you're concious enough to defend yourself, good luck. The law is split safely, if you're in an accident, was it safe?

Yah, what steve said is accurate, but refer to my first question.
 

motorman4life

Well-known member
There is no specific law prohibiting lanesharing. There is a ton of info about lanesharing (which people persist in calling splitting for some reason), in this thread. I suggest you do read the whole thread.

As an asside, "splitting" suggests or implies the act of straddling, which is specifically prohibited in 21658(a) CVC. My plea is that those that want to keep it legal, please call it “lanesharring” and consistently refer to it as such. The connotation of “sharing” is much more positive and is clearly a more accurate portrayal of the legal (ie.. not outlawed, yet) act many law-abiding CA motorcyclist do safely, on a regular basis. Who wants to be the lawmaker that outlawed “sharing” in CA?

If you are against it, feel free to call it splitting. :loser


So, to answer your question: No, you are not automatically at-fault if a collision occurs while you are lanesharing.

As a maneuver that in and of itself is not illegal, if an accident or collision occurs while a motorcyclist is lanesharing, the first thing a responding officer will need to determine is what the primary collision factor was. At that point, unless the cause is glaring and not attributed to the motorcyclist, the question comes up, "Was lanesharing the primary cause of this collision? Did the lane sharing maneuver contribute to the cause? Was the lanesharing maneuver being done safely and lawfully.

Being there are many citizens and more than a few officers that admantly believe lanesharing is totally illegal, you are already up against the 8-ball when and if they happen to weigh in on the situation. In cases like this, I believe it is best to not say anything at the scene that might be used against you. If you were proceeding safely and were fully aware of your surroundings and in control of your bike, state that clearly and ensure it is well documented. If the car driver was not proceeding safely, was not aware of their surroundings and was not in control of their vehicle, give the driver an opportunity to state that. Let them hang themselves by saying they did not see you ("I never saw him") and after they have made an admission of same, quietly point it out to the officer and any bystanders that may have witnessed the statement/admission. Point out any evidence that would tend to show the driver was not aware or was operating unsafely and ensure it is well documented. This is all simple CYA. Did the driver look? Did the driver signal their intention to turn? What did you see? What did the witnesses see? What did the driver say they did/saw/heard/ felt/believed?

More times than not, the driver will say they did not see you and moved either without looking, without signaling their intention or looked and did not see you... well, you were there or they would not have hit you! Don't argue with the cop(s), the other driver(s) or any witnesses as to the "legality" of lanesharing. If you were not splitting/straddling, ensure you state that and ensure any witnesses that saw you were not straddling lanes get their observations on the record, even if those witnesses thought the sharing was an illegal act.

Don't hang yourself and don't be an ass. If you are injured, tell them you will give a statement later. Don't make the mistake of cutting your own throat due to being in shock or traumatized by the collision and/or your injuries.

If anyone thinks the act of lanesharing was in and of itself illegal, let them go on thinking that at the scene. Let them document it as they see fit. This will be better for you than IF they think (or you stupidly convince them) they need to otherwise prove your actions were unsafe or unlawful over and above the mere fact that you were sharing lanes. If they think it is a "slamdunk" that you were at fault because you chose to share and the driver did not choose to, even if the officer cites you at the scene for splitting (when you weren't) or some other associated violation that you may or may not have been guilty of, if they do a half-assed investigation because they act on a false assumption, you or your lawyer (or insurance co.) can more easily get an under-investigated collision that is based upon a false or incorrect premise overturned vs. trying to fight a thorough investigation completed by someone that was likely unfairly biased against you and feels confident you will fight them on it later and may have grounds to overturn their findings.

I hope this makes sense to you.
 
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JimE

Rider
MM4L: that is some of the best damned advice I've gotten in some time. Thank you. I've been smacked twice while sharing lanes in heavy commute traffic (due completely to sudden changes without looking on the cages part) and because no injuries occurred just wrote off the bruises and fairing rash. Thanks again for the input!
 

VLOW1210

Well-known member
that's exactly the info i was looking for, thanks. btw can you post the link to the other thread? i'd love to take a look at it
 

son_of_a_bob

Well-known member
I was hit by a car while laneSHARING. Her insurance paid for it all, $4000 dollars parts and labor. She was scratching her leg and swerved into me, admitted as much to me and a witness! Didn't get LEOs involved, I got lucky there.
 

chiara

Well-known member
MM4L, excellent advice. I'm the type that would be saying, "But lane splitting (I know you hate that word, can't get off it though) is legal" when faced with someone hitting me saying, "Yeah, but you were between the cars." You've given some good info that I think would definitely help out the people who read it.

You ought to include that info in your first post of "The definitive lane sharing" thread.






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Baptistro

Bapmarker
This is from a brief we just used in a civil case for a Settlement Conference:

Defendants contend that Plaintiff BARFer was negligent in the subject incident because prior to the subject incident, Mr. BARFer had been lanesharing on westbound I-80.

Lanesharing, otherwise known as lanesplitting, white-lining, or filtering, is the practice by motorcyclists of moving between stopped or slow moving traffic during times of congestion and between lanes of vehicles, traveling in the same direction.

Lanesharing is 100% legal in California as long as it is done safely. There is no California statute permitting the practice of lanesharing. On the other hand, there’s no law stating that one cannot laneshare. In other words, lanesharing is not legal, but rather not illegal in the State of California. The California Highway Patrol specifically states: "Lane splitting by motorcycles is permissible under California law but must done in a safe and prudent manner."

California Highway Patrol officers embrace lane splitting because it allows a quicker response to emergencies. Motorcyclists who ride older, air-cooled motorcycles must keep moving to prevent their engines from overheating. Motorcyclists like lane splitting for one simple reason: It whittles down the time spent sitting in traffic. Lanesharing also reduces overall congestion and actually helps everyone get to his or her destination sooner

Lanesharing, when done carefully, is no more dangerous than riding with the flow of traffic, in fact it is slightly safer than riding a motorcycle in stop and go traffic. A study conducted by Harry Hurt, a University of Southern California researcher, referred to as the “Hurt Report,” supports that claim. The study, commissioned by the U.S. Department of Transportation, concluded that lanesharing is safer than sitting in stop-and-go traffic, where bikers are far more likely to be ``sandwiched'' between two cars. Professor Harry Hurt believes that “For a motorcyclist, that's the safest place to be,'' “a lot of people think it's a hazard, but the cold, hard facts are that it is not.''

Directly from the California Highway Patrol “Answers,” the generally “understood” unofficial guidelines for lanesharing are:
-Travel no faster than 10 mph faster than the vehicles you’re lanesharing with.
-Merge back in with the traffic when they reach 30-35 mph.
-Never exceed the speed limit.
-Lane-sharing between lanes #1 and #2 is preferred.
-Stay, more or less, in one lane or the other. Excessive meandering might get you cited. (CA code 21658)
-When in doubt, wait for a CHP motor patrol officer and follow him/her.

In the subject incident, Mr. BARFer was lanesharing prior to the collision in a safe and prudent manner. He was traveling approximately 5 miles per hour over the speed of traffic. Witnesses directly behind the point of impact recall Mr. BARFer’s vehicle passing and being struck by Mr. Numbnuts' vehicle in the number 2 lane. Mr. Numbnuts was found to be the primary collision factor, in violation of California Vehicle Code Section 21658(a) which states:
Whenever any roadway has been divided into two or more clearly marked lanes for traffic in one direction, the following rules apply:
(a) A vehicle shall be driven as nearly as practical entirely within a single lane and shall not be moved from the lane until such movement can be made with reasonable safety.

Plaintiff further contends that defendant Numbnuts failed to signal before making a lane change into the number two lane in violation of California Vehicle Code Section 22107, which states:
No person shall turn a vehicle from a direct course or move right or left upon a roadway until such movement can be made with reasonable safety and then only after the giving of an appropriate signal in the manner provided in this chapter in the event any other vehicle may be affected by the movement.

The cause of this collision is that defendant Numbnuts failed to observe Plaintiff as defendant turned and drove into Plaintiff’s lane.
 

motorman4life

Well-known member
Well, there ya' go! Great post. Thanks Bap. :thumbup

And on that note, the threads have been merged as this is info that really needs to be in the sticky thread.
 

silverbelt

Well-known member
Good re-read. I had some trouble today on 87 South after alma exit. I was lanesharing in the #1 lane and almost all the cars moved to the left part of the lane so I could pass safely which I would have liked to wave back to all of them, but thats not feasible.

Anyways, almost in sucession a decked out civic and an escalade were taunting me in that they moved left, but just as I came up, they moved to the right forcing me to "split" i.e. riding on the botts dots. I realize there are assholes always out there, but I wondered about it later, what if they moved to right suddenly and I got hit, would I be at fault? I read this thread and my questions were answered.

Appreciate the info MM4L and others.
 

Inner Nerd

C Group Sandbagger
I have a question regarding lane sharing on onramps.

In the original post, it's stated that you can split right up to the front if the onramp is 2 lanes or more. However, what if there's only one lane and a shoulder? If I share the lane in this case, would that mean I was sharing the one lane, or could it be viewed as driving/riding on the shoulder?
 

motorman4life

Well-known member
If there is a white line on the right or a yellow line on the left, those are called fog lines and if you cross them, you can be cited for driving/riding on the shoulder. If you are truly sharing the lane, you and the other vehicle will be entirely within the one lane.
 

h2v7

Master Hashassin
oo ok


yea great to see mc cops on the boards


i will have questions at some point or another and now i got someone in the law position to ask :D
 

drivingrealfast

Well-known member
so is there a law that cagers do not have to "share" their lane with bikers? how about if they share in the beginning and decides not to share? what rights do bikers have if they are sharing a lane and the cager and the biker get into an accident?

personally, i think that straddling the center line is a whole lot safer than sharing a lane with a car. at least you get more cushion and if anything happens you can either move to the left or to the right.

so is straddling the line to pass up a car legal?
 

scootiePuff

Mrs. randomguy
motorman4life said:

1) Lotsa balls.
2) Suicidal.
3) Very talented.
4) It would have taken a helicopter to even dream of catching him/her.
Next time I stop a stunter, I'm checkin' for video equipment! ;)

how about also
5) very lucky
?

maybe s/he was (also) a 'bike-bin' (motorcycle/scooter courier service driver/rider) ;) they seem quite aggressive around tokyo, due to delivery time expectations and such.

Bad Santa said:
While watching that video, I found myself alternately wincing, cringing... and laughing out loud.
ditto! although i also found myself worn out at the end, from the tension and alertness!
 

shraz

The Great Fearless One
I have a question on red-light sharing

If theres is 3 lanes.

1 to turn left
1 to go left or straight
1 to go straight


They all have a solid white line... is it illegal to split since of the solid?
 
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