Stop Light Changes (did a search, and called my local department)
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svclee said:
your response is reasonable as well as logical.
my only question is this, say you approach the crosswalk, red light, not changing, and you decide to go another route.
wouldn't you just run into the same problem at the next intersection? What if every alternative route you took ended with a stubborn traffic light?
motorman4life
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What if? What if? What it you read the law?rora said:
21800(d)(1) CVC "The driver of any vehicle approaching an intersection which has official traffic control signals that are inoperative shall stop at the intersection, and may proceed with caution when it is safe to do so."
How fucking hard is that?
If you are in or on a vehicle (including a motorcycle) and the sensor does not sense your presence and trip the signal cycle accordingly, that is a malfunction. Once you have reasonably determined there is a malfunction, the law applies and you may proceed with caution, when it is safe to do so.
motorman4life said:
i'd guess just as for for you to read the question...
when is it SAFE to turn left in a CROWDED intersecion? seems to me
the LAW says SAFE, right? well, if the signal ain't giving in, and the traffic isn't giving in, the WHATs the right thing to do? sit there until when?
motorman4life
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If it can't be done safely, then you can't do it. Merge into straight traffic and make 3 rights. Or take the next safe/legal U-turn.rora said:
Eisernkreuz
unteroffizier
rora said:
:laughing
So the intersection is crowded in all directions except for the one you're going in? :laughing OK, in the highly unlikely even that a car does not pull up behind you in a busy intersection while you are waiting to make a left, you can always do what the gentleman above me posted. Merge into straight traffic or make the next safe, legal U-turn. It has been my experience that in busy four-way intersections, you'll either come up on a car, or you'll catch a break in traffic where you can make the turn. It's really not that hard
motorman4life
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Yeah, that's called "defensive driving." :laughing :laughing :wow :laughingrora said:
2WheelGuy
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silversvs said:
Where can I find a list of phone numbers for all the "Traffic Engineering Departments" in the Bay Area? Lately I have been very pissed off because a very large percentage of the signals I come to won't change for my motorcycle. I want to report all the broken signals and get them fixed. Who handles the freeway metering lights? They don't work either.
If it is not a police issue I suppose they won't care when I run the broken lights?
silversvs
Lean, Twist, repeat.....
Running red lights is a police issue. We have answered the inoperative signals question at nauseum.
CalTrans handles the metering lights at the on-ramps.
Signal lights within City limits (other than those on state routes that travel through a City) are handled by that City's traffic engineering department.
Signal lights in unincorportaed areas are handled by that county's traffic engineering folks.
Signal lights on state routes are handled by Cal-Trans even if they are within a City limit.
CalTrans handles the metering lights at the on-ramps.
Signal lights within City limits (other than those on state routes that travel through a City) are handled by that City's traffic engineering department.
Signal lights in unincorportaed areas are handled by that county's traffic engineering folks.
Signal lights on state routes are handled by Cal-Trans even if they are within a City limit.
I was at an intersection somewhere in my cage that wouldn't change (well, we sat there for maybe 5 minutes before everyone decided to run it... there was a truck in front of me and another one behind me and more people behind that, so it was a decent number of vehicles). We obviously waited until it was safe, but it was certainly annoying.
majofly
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Recently I waited 3 cycles for a left turn light at SFO/N. Access Rd to S. Airport Blvd around noonish. Cross traffic was moderate ebb/flow. I waited for 1 more cycle to time the optimal gap and slowly eased into the itersection so as not to suprise anyone. I cleared the intersection and rode on shaking my head. Passing by the United parking I glance back and see a Police car-lights blazing behind me...???...
I pull over.
He pulls in behind me.
He walks up saying somthing about ..."that red light back there...and you blatantly dissrespected me cause I was right behind you...you have to wait for the green..."
I tried to explain that I waited 4 cycles and the light was obiously malfunctioning.
Ofcr-"No I was right behind you and it worked fine for me..."
Just my luck. I was being so carefull/watching the traffic at the itersection I didnt think to look behind me. And he just came from the range so his weapon was still warm..LOL...
He let me go with a warning. "wait for the green light.."
I need to loan him my bike for a hour or so.............
I pull over.
He pulls in behind me.
He walks up saying somthing about ..."that red light back there...and you blatantly dissrespected me cause I was right behind you...you have to wait for the green..."
I tried to explain that I waited 4 cycles and the light was obiously malfunctioning.
Ofcr-"No I was right behind you and it worked fine for me..."
Just my luck. I was being so carefull/watching the traffic at the itersection I didnt think to look behind me. And he just came from the range so his weapon was still warm..LOL...
He let me go with a warning. "wait for the green light.."
I need to loan him my bike for a hour or so.............
TheRiddler
Riddle me this.
majofly said:
That brings up the question what's "non-operable"? What may be triggered by a car may not be triggered by a motorcycle. Is non-operable subjective?
But if you did see that officer I would've sat at that light forever. I'll go through one that doesn't change after long enough, but when I know an LEO is there? I'll pass on that ticket, thanks.
Razel
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Minor point being, though, that you should look for a safe opening as well as an LEO prior to proceeding. If he's behind you, his vehicle will cause the lights to change for you. If his motorcycle doesn't get sensed, I'd say odds are very good he'll make it apparent it's ok to go on your way. Or, they'll just ride off, and when gone, you go. No sense in creating a challenging situation that doesn't serve any purpose.
There're loops in the pavement that detect the presence of a large metal vehicle. Multiple loops in each lane. So, while you may not trigger the electronics that say there's a vehicle waiting, the car behind you will set off the other loops in your lane further back.
There're loops in the pavement that detect the presence of a large metal vehicle. Multiple loops in each lane. So, while you may not trigger the electronics that say there's a vehicle waiting, the car behind you will set off the other loops in your lane further back.
rritterson
wish I was the bike
MasterM3 said:
That's pretty silly. Only three things can happen:
1. The officer is there and trips the light for you, so you don't have to run the red.
2. The officer isn't there, so you run the red and no one sees you.
3. The officer isn't at the intersection, but sees you from afar run the light. In that case, he will have to agree that the intersection was empty when you were there, and the judge will probably toss the citation based on your explanation and the corroboration from the officer.
deathbug74
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Posed this question to a local LEO down here (fresno); his response was that 21800(d)(1) doesn't apply to our situation, based on the last sentence of the section, and that they love giving these tickets at night.
Thoughts? Also, I wonder how this (either view) would stand up in a real court situation.