Self Driving Car vs Motorcycle Crash SF news article

mrzuzzo

mrzuzzo

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By the sounds of it the rider is just trying to cash out from his accident which he is responsible for.
 
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jwb

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It will be nice if this action results in the release of videos from the incident.
 
Pking

Pking

Humble Rider
As more self-driven cars start to become present on the roads, the greater the need to have a helmet/dash cam when you're riding. I think that alone would take a huge chunk out of the "who's fault was it" scenario and would speed up the outcome. But I also believe that as more riders/drivers have cameras rolling while riding, the more strict regulations might be imposed on what type video will be accepted when making a case. So like if you've be riding for 45 mins w/cam on and then get in an accident with a self-driven vehicle, they may want the whole uncut 45min clip to evaluate your driving/riding prior to the incident...which might be used against you if you were railing, wheelie, or any hooliganisms prior to crash. Just my opinion
 
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DataDan

DataDan

Mama says he's bona fide
See December thread MC hits driverless car while spitting - rider's fault.

The Merc story linked by the OP has a good description of the wreck, but here's more detail from the narrative in the special DMV crash report:
A Cruise autonomous vehicle ("Cruise AV"), operating in autonomous mode in heavy traffic, was involved in a collision while traveling east on Oak Street just past the intersection with Fillmore Street. The Cruise AV was traveling in the center of three one-way lanes. Identifying a space between two vehicles (a minivan in front and a sedan behind) in the left lane, the Cruise AV began to merge into that lane. At the same time, the minivan decelerated. Sensing that its gap was closing, the Cruise AV stopped making its lane change and returned fully to the center lane. As the Cruise AV was re-centering itself in the lane, a motorcycle that that had just lane-split between two vehicles in the center and right lanes moved into the center lane, glanced the side of the Cruise AV, wobbled, and fell over. At the time of the collision, the Cruise AV was traveling with the flow of traffic at 12mph, while the motorcycle was traveling at approximately 17mph. The motorcyclist got up and walked his vehicle to the side of the road, where the parties exchanged information. 911 was called pursuant to Cruise policy. The motorcyclist reported shoulder pain and was taken to receive medical care, and a police report was taken.

As reported in Traffic Collision Report#170989746, the motorcyclist was determined to be at fault for attempting to overtake and pass another vehicle on the right under conditions that did not permit that movement in safety in violation of CVC 21755(a).
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FreeRyde

FreeRyde

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mrzuzzo said:
By the sounds of it the rider is just trying to cash out from his accident which he is responsible for.
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Have you watched any of these self driving car videos? They swerve pretty fugg'n hard when they detect spaces closing on them. It's kinda scary.
 
Archimedes

Archimedes

Fire Watcher
Sounds like the rider tried to move into the lane before the self driving car had fully exited it into the other lane. Rider fault.
 
flips21

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FreeRyde said:
Have you watched any of these self driving car videos? They swerve pretty fugg'n hard when they detect spaces closing on them. It's kinda scary.
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I was caging it down Gough following one of the self driving cars. It was a piece of shit. It swerved for mirrors on parked cars, cars overtaking in the next lane, slowed to 1/2 the speed of the flow of traffic and was a general nuisance to the safe passage of vehicles on the street. Multiple cars honked at it while the engineer sat there doing whatever he was trying to do. Definitely not ready for prime time and shouldn't have been on that road during rush. It was like driving behind someone on acid who was trying to miss all the hallucinations coming at him.

Flip
 
TheRiddler

TheRiddler

Riddle me this.
Pking said:
As more self-driven cars start to become present on the roads, the greater the need to have a helmet/dash cam when you're riding. I think that alone would take a huge chunk out of the "who's fault was it" scenario and would speed up the outcome. But I also believe that as more riders/drivers have cameras rolling while riding, the more strict regulations might be imposed on what type video will be accepted when making a case. So like if you've be riding for 45 mins w/cam on and then get in an accident with a self-driven vehicle, they may want the whole uncut 45min clip to evaluate your driving/riding prior to the incident...which might be used against you if you were railing, wheelie, or any hooliganisms prior to crash. Just my opinion
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Maybe insurance companies will care, but the police report won't. We consider the events immediately preceding the collision, not even 5 minutes in advance.
 
JakesKTM

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Archimedes said:
Sounds like the rider tried to move into the lane before the self driving car had fully exited it into the other lane. Rider fault.
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I don't agree.

Whenever any roadway has been divided into two or more clearly marked lanes for traffic in one direction, the following rule applies: A vehicle shall be driven as nearly as practicable entirely within a single lane and shall not be moved from the lane until such movement can be made with reasonable safety.
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Once the vehicle committed to a lane change it is reasonable to assume the space is opening. The AV made an erratic movement back into a lane after initiating and committing to a lane change. The AV shouldn't have committed to a lane change until there was more space to do so OR should have stopped across the divider until the vehicle ahead moved forward to allow the AV to complete the lane change sequence safely (as is done ALL the time in the City).

I wouldn't expect a motorist to suddenly swerve back into their lane either. I blame the programmers for ordering (via programming) the vehicle to return to lane following a lane change initiation sequence.
 
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Charles R

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JakesKTM said:
I wouldn't expect a motorist to suddenly swerve back into their lane either.
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You don't drive/ride around here much do you? That's exactly what they all seem to do when they suddenly see the lane they wanted to go into is slower than the one they're trying to leave.

And what's the "universal" passing rule?
The responsibility for making a safe pass always falls to the passing driver/rider.
 
pepesm

pepesm

Really?
Fingers or hands on the horn at all times. Ugh, I have beep at every dunces, nunces, ponces, and noobs whenever I am in my car or motorcycle. If this keeps up, I’m buying a M1A1 Abrams.
 
ScottRNelson

ScottRNelson

Mr. Dual Sport Rider
pepesm said:
Fingers or hands on the horn at all times. Ugh, I have beep at every dunces, nunces, ponces, and noobs whenever I am in my car or motorcycle. If this keeps up, I’m buying a M1A1 Abrams.
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Are you originally from New York or Boston or somewhere like that?

Honking is not common in the Bay Area, which is something that I learned when I came here in the 80's.
 
pepesm

pepesm

Really?
@ScottRNelson

No, your mom taught me the words.

Honking wasn’t common 17 years ago in SF Bay Area. But more ditzies using smartphones while driving are becoming common. I had to honk at every stop lights to make them drive off. They kept looking down at them. Plus, populations goes up meaning more ditzy bints and ass-sniffing twats are driving everywhere amok like the baboons chasing the poor Frenchies (it’s in the news, no really). Plus McCoders coding in “SMART” cars on-the-fly only to make driving or riding experience more fraught with horrors.

I wish I was from New York City but, alas, I’m from a town that has a famous movie name but never saw Harry Dean Stanton there.

Be careful out there, ponces are the worst.
 
295566

295566

Numbers McGee
Fuck this "beta test on public roads" nonsense. You're telling me GM, one of the largest auto manufacturers in the world, doesn't have a testing facility somewhere, or can't rent some back roads somewhere? Bullshit. I'm all for AV's sharing the road wish us; hell they're going to be safer than human drivers. But the tech ain't there yet and the risk to us other motorists ain't worth it.
 
AbsolutEnduser

AbsolutEnduser

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pepesm said:
@ScottRNelson

No, your mom taught me the words.

Honking wasn’t common 17 years ago in SF Bay Area. But more ditzies using smartphones while driving are becoming common. I had to honk at every stop lights to make them drive off. They kept looking down at them. Plus, populations goes up meaning more ditzy bints and ass-sniffing twats are driving everywhere amok like the baboons chasing the poor Frenchies (it’s in the news, no really). Plus McCoders coding in “SMART” cars on-the-fly only to make driving or riding experience more fraught with horrors.

I wish I was from New York City but, alas, I’m from a town that has a famous movie name but never saw Harry Dean Stanton there.

Be careful out there, ponces are the worst.
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Paris...

Great rant, guy!
 
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