Rules Question: Being lazy and not reading through the book!

[#1Spies Fan]

If a race has started and I do not make the start but is red flagged, can I jump in the restart from my original grid spot? Do I need to start from the back? Should I be a couple laps down? Or did I miss my chance all together?

Just wanted to know...saw it happen and felt it was a bit unfair for all the other riders to have run a few laps and then someone can jump in rested and on new tries for a restart?

 

[ZIM]

dunno ruling, but i would think that is kind of week sauce. if you missed the start you missed the start but I am always wrong... :laughing

 

[1fastmexican]

I seen it happen with a rider right next to me. He was not their at the start of the race but after 2 laps the race was red flagged. Then after we were called to restart he was their and no penalty was given.

 

[kneedragon2000]

I know who you are talking about ( I think )

He asked race control and was given the ok to start after the red flag. I feel the same as you do to be honest, even though I am good friends with him. I dont understand the idea behind it. If there were laps counted, ie: we didnt restart a full race, we only did 5 after the restart, then how is it justifiable that someone that didnt make the original start is allowed to start on the same terms after the restart?


:bs

 

[TWF]

Red flag and full restart means race never happened.
Sometime you just lucky.

 

[kneedragon2000]

it wasnt a full restart. Only 5 laps after the restart.

 

[IBYS]

Shortened race due to time. I see no rule against it, as we do a 'full retsart' because grid goes back to original, as if laps prior to red flag never happened. Too difficult for new grids to be made off last completed lap given our time restrictions per race.

 

[kneedragon2000]

meh

still doesnt seem right to me.

 

[TWF]

Would it be right if somebodies bike dies on hot pit and he does not make race?
You get second chance with red flag, regardless what your problem is.
It is same thing as causing red flag and get to race again.

 

[kneedragon2000]

my personal feeling is that if you cant start the race, when the original flags drop then a restart should be out of the question. Does WSBK/AMA/GP allow it? I dont think it does, but I havent scoured their rule books.

what are the reasons for letting them back in? Not for arguments sake, I actually want to understand the rule, not be a protagonist.

 

[TWF]

They allow it, as long it is full restart they can go on their grid spot.
Race never happened if full restart.

 

[kneedragon2000]

i get that Z. I understand they allow them back in, but not sure why.

it seems to me that if you were not fit/tech'd or whatever to make the original start time then you are taking advantage of the misfortunes on track. Why should the people that were able to make the original start be at a disadvantage?

I suppose the argument could be made, especially with the clustered races that most of us face, that someone that had the extra 5-10 minutes or more to go out after a restart could have more time to recuperate get more fuel or even put on fresh tires that the original starters were not afforded.

 

[TWF]

Because they treat it as it never happened, I guess. If race is few laps in and they restart by order they run at time it is different.
But with full restart you can crash and than win race

 

[kneedragon2000]

Zoran

I get it. I really do. I am looking for a justification for it, if there is one.

I guess I could email the President or the Board for clarification too.

 

[TWF]

Clarification is it has been done that way
You need rule change if you don't think it is right.
Personally I think you should not be in race if you crashed out of it. Or any other issues with red flag. But does not matter what rule is somebody will benefit while somebody else will get screwed, it is reality of red flag.

 

[kneedragon2000]

all true points.

I vote for Z writing the rule book! :banana


and compesation would be bottles of Czech moonshine

 

[ZIM]

I thought we voted Z in for rule writing several years ago...guess it never materialized. Rule book would too short for Californians. :laughing

 

[Capt Pie]

You can also look at it from the standpoint that the riders who did grid up in time got a couple extra laps of practice in right before their race, and the rider who missed the first start didn't. It all depends on how you want to look at it

 

[#1Spies Fan]

I wouldn't consider it "extra Practice", (I'm only grumpy because I was sick that weekend and would have loved to run only 5 laps and not 3 with a rush to the pits to rush back out for 5 laps) The rider found a glitch in the rule book and made it work to his advantage. If he asked the race direction and they said yes, he is good to go in my mind. Rule should be looked at tho

 

[Holeshot]

Z-man is correct. Robin, it may help you some day, I suppose.