Real Estate License

asdfghwy

Well-known member
Has anyone done this online? Is in-class better?

My little brother needs some direction and I don't believe university is for him. He has a great mouthpiece and I believe he could succeed in real estate, so I've offered to pay for his courses and prep--he says hes ready.

realestateexpresss.com seems like the major player so does anyone have any experience with them or have recommendations on other ways to go? He's a visual learner so anything with an emphasis on that would be ideal.

I'm about to pull the trigger on it but figured I'd ask here in case anyone has experience
 

jt2

Eschew Obfuscation
Just a thought - Has he talked to any brokerages on what their hiring policy is for new associates? Might be worth doing before committing to a school.
 

kingmoochr

WHARRGARBL
Just a thought - Has he talked to any brokerages on what their hiring policy is for new associates? Might be worth doing before committing to a school.

Good idea, sort of like getting a bunch of mechanic certifications... doesn't mean you're a good mechanic and lots of independents don't hire off them.
 

Xenophonii

RIP Bunny
I have done it online, I think that I would have had a better time taking classes just for the slower pace in absorbing so much material. It depends on how disciplined your brother is. Then again, I had to do it in less than 6 months (while working full time) due to a situation at my job so it was a lot of work. It's gonna be a grind, and the license covers a lot of topics - loans, zoning, house styles, legal, etc, etc, etc. I think the books alone were over 1,500 pages in total. I supplemented the course with a lot of videos and other media/study partners. Once he gets the license, he will have to renew it (and take tests again at CalBRE) every few years.

If he is looking to be an actual sales person, then he needs to understand that he will have to support himself for about a year without any real money coming in whilst paying desk fees etc. As Kingmoochr points out, getting the license doesn't translate into experience and brokers know that. He will start at the very bottom. It's not for the feint of heart. There are other opportunities in the field as well (appraising, support, etc). It would be good for him to talk to an actual real estate salesperson or broker and get a feel for how the industry works.
 
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Xenophonii

RIP Bunny
Just a thought - Has he talked to any brokerages on what their hiring policy is for new associates? Might be worth doing before committing to a school.

Some brokers will assist and train new associates. I didn't have that option but it is very much worth looking into.
 

Xenophonii

RIP Bunny
Oh yeah, sorry to be a post whore but the real estate license is a professional license so they will do a background check and finger print you. Have a record that shows a lack of ethics/convictions etc. and guess what, you passed the test but you may not get the license. I guess that makes sense when you are making transactions in the hundred of thousands of dollars or more :laughing
 

Xenophonii

RIP Bunny
Just beware there was a glut of agents during the last recession

There is that too. Lots of folks looking to cash in thinking it's easy money. Nope, it's not. It's almost like an MLM - the few folks that make real money at it are rare, the rest, well, don't.
 
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FXCLM5

bombaclaud
i did it online, i think it was a 60% fail rate when I took the test

not hard, i would say 50% common sense, 25% applicable real estate 25% admin stuff and weird real estate rules/loops like a african american with a real estate license cannot be a "Realtor" he can join the Realtor organization but he would be called a "Realtist"

Alot of weird racial things that expose their heads.

Also this is what you put in is what you will get out, less then 5% will succeed @ this. Lots of times you will have 0 income for a few months to handling multiple escrows in 1 month. Its not for the faint of heart. You will try so hard show 50 homes and the client wifes girlfriend will say something and ruin all the hard work you put in for last 2 months.
 
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ctwo

Merely Rhetorical
Good idea, sort of like getting a bunch of mechanic certifications... doesn't mean you're a good mechanic and lots of independents don't hire off them.

That's right. A friend of mine applied at a specialty auto shop. The owner didn't care about certs, he just said, show me your hands!
 

asdfghwy

Well-known member
Thank you all for the responses. Will look into hiring requirements. My little brother has good work ethic, and fortunately while he lives at home doesn't have any major expenses so he definitely has time to spare while he gets situated and launches a career in real estate. At minimum I'd like him to have a 'fall-back' into real estate -- although I believe he can succeed in the role and will be pro-active in getting a foot in the door. I just don't want to see him do nothing and have no options.
 

NB0tt

Well-known member
Aren't we about to hit another crash? Is this a good time to be getting into real estate?

I had a close friend completely lose everything as an agent during the last crash and she was doing well beforehand.
 

FXCLM5

bombaclaud
Aren't we about to hit another crash? Is this a good time to be getting into real estate?

I had a close friend completely lose everything as an agent during the last crash and she was doing well beforehand.

:wtf thats her bad, definitely not the norm especially being a "professional" of that sector
 

bojangle

FN # 40
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Interested in this thread. I've been considering going into RE as a second career after retirement from LE.
 
Thank you all for the responses. Will look into hiring requirements. My little brother has good work ethic, and fortunately while he lives at home doesn't have any major expenses so he definitely has time to spare while he gets situated and launches a career in real estate. At minimum I'd like him to have a 'fall-back' into real estate -- although I believe he can succeed in the role and will be pro-active in getting a foot in the door. I just don't want to see him do nothing and have no options.

Salam Al Le Kum!

I went through this disillusioning route before so here's my insights:

Since my career in education wasn't making enough money, I ventured into real estate. A colleague at work was also teaching Real Estate courses and I audited a few of them. She gave me copies of the textbooks and lots of practice tests which I feel are the most important part for anyone passing the test. Before taking the licencing test, your brother will need to have completed a certain amount of courses and/or lectures. Having done that, he will then need to register online to take the dreaded test in Oakland.

I sampled a few of my fellow classmates in the real estate classes (sample size <20) and here's an unscientific correlation I found- If your brother was a straight A student back in high school, the licencing test is pretty easy to study for and pass on his first try. If he was an A-B student, he might have to try 2-3 times before passing because the trick questions will keep him second guessing, especially the ones asking about ethics. Memorizing specific dates for paying property taxes and specific laws about discrimarion is imperative. If he was a C average student, he'll probably eventually pass by the 5th or 6th attempt.

The test is still being held in Oakland and parking there is a PITA. Tell him to bring his own lunch because the food at the cafeteria sucks. Travel lightly because the test proctors won't let him take anything with him into the testing room. Personal lockers will be provided but they are tiny and don't put anything valuable in those lockers because thefts happen. It's Oakland after all.

Should he pass, his mail box is going to be inundated with dozens of solicitations from realtors all over California to join their team. But signing up with a firm is even more arduous than preparing for and taking the test! The initial sign up fees with them right away are cost prohibitive. Like hundreds to thousands of dollars prohibitive. Getting MLS access, buying the wardrobe to achieve the "professional look", Staples runs to print stationary and other forms, paying for shitty buggy software... those minor business expenses add up quickly all before he even makes his first successful deal. He's also going to start at the bottom of the totem pole, everyone in the firm will treat him like a peon and view him as a potential rival out to cut him/her out of their game. If he is lucky enough to find a mentor however, his chances of surviving will increase exponentially. Attractive Asian women seem to have an uncanny ability to easily get mentored in this industry while for guys, it's next to impossible.

This industry is merciless and isn't for the faint of heart. Even though I was taught in classes to have the highest of ethics and be an honest "agent" for my client... Even though 50% of the questions for the license is about ethics and ethic violations... in the real world of this business, everyone who is good at this game is a lying piece of shit. The management will do everything and anything in their power to make money, and will instruct their employees accordingly. They embezzle, lie, cheat, scam, misinform both buyers and sellers and the best ones do it in a way to finagle their way out of legal trouble even when they get caught.

Needless to say, I didn't have what it takes to survive in this industry and didn't last long. Nevertheless, I did learn a lot of valuable information and this certainly helps in the long run- especially when it comes to buying property and renting it. If I had to do it over again, I still would because the experience was certainly enlightening and taught me a lot about my personal character. I'd like to say I'm now wiser when dealing with realtors since I know their bullshiting tactics and tricks.

If your brother is really sociable with high charisma, I advise to encourage your brother to do it. But if he has very high ethical standards, he won't last very long.

Sorry for this long winded reply. :p
 

Reli

Well-known member
Yep, being sociable, likeable, and attractive is the #1 predicter of success in that field. Consider that potential buyers and sellers are judging you by your looks on your marketing materials before they even meet you. And for whatever reason, people seem to correlate attractiveness with competence.
 
Yep, being sociable, likeable, and attractive is the #1 predicter of success in that field. Consider that potential buyers and sellers are judging you by your looks on your marketing materials before they even meet you. And for whatever reason, people seem to correlate attractiveness with competence.

Yep, being sociable, likeable, and attractive is the #1 predicter of success in that field. Consider that potential buyers and sellers are judging you by your looks on your marketing materials before they even meet you. And for whatever reason, people seem to correlate attractiveness with competence.

Flirting and stroking the ego of the client is 100% crucial to closing the deal. Agents will use psychological manipulation and play on your biases and fears even though many of these tactics are illegal. If her/his playful banter and compliments goes into overdrive, it's because the agent is definitely hiding something really awful about the property and wants short circuit your critical thinking. Female Asians are pros at this which is why you see many of them so successful in this line of work.
 
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