Pakistan's first MX track in the making!! Need some help!

[khan]

Hope everyones well on here

Just wanted to run this plan by you guys and get help (paid help)

I've been working on Pakistans first MX/Dirt facility here in Lahore and after 2 years of pitching to the rich folks here I finally have a serious party on my side.

I have 10 Acres to play with and they've promised to help out with the starting costs too. and i plan to dump every last saving i have to make this a reality.

Im struggling with the design of the facility at the moment, I obviously want it to be safe for the spectators and the riders plus use the space wisely and not waste too much land. Someone with experience with MX will have a better idea than me. Im a terrible on the dirt bike but i know there is potential here so just want to start something off and let it grow slowly.

Not trying to make the biggest baddest track at all, just want a beginner level track with table tops. no doubles or tripples.

Im looking for someone who could help me design the track and the audience stands. I will pay for your work/time obviously. Just looking for someone who knows what they are doing.

If you know someone who maybe isnt on BARF but has some experience in track design and might be interested please forward them this post of get them in touch with me over email ADifferentAgenda@gmail.com

Thank you BARF

Not sure where I would be in life without you guys!

Love,
Khan

 

[MikeSteel]

I have developed a few of my own personal tracks and the most important factor is the land you are working with. You want to use as much of the natural aspects of the terrain as possible. I developed mostly wooded areas but if you have a wide open flat piece of land the possibilities are endless. Get really good dirt moving equipment it makes everything easy, you will be surprised how easy everything comes together when you are in a skidsteer !
Best of luck with the project I love to see people riding dirt!
Also keep in mind you can find some easy distances for jump builds online, it is how I started most of my jumps and the numbers are pretty spot on.

 

[Aware]

I am ignorant. But guessing you could set up some parallel lines with tabletops, double and triples to suit all skills. 10 acres is a good bit of room.

 

[Blankpage]

i plan to dump every last saving i have to make this a reality.

Huh, why go broke over this?

 

[Caddywumpus]

Huh, why go broke over this?

For the love of motorcycling

 

[OaklandF4i]

Moin

First piece of advice, don't sink all of your money into it. They rarely break even and even rarer to turn a profit. More often than not, money losers. Keep it simple and your sink capital as low as possible.

I'd suggest reaching out to any number of the professional track builders here in the States and offer to pay them for some consulting work. I'm not aware of any of them on Barf, but there are quite a few companies that specialize in this.

Key items you want address is your ramp angles, heights, and distance. You don't want steep kickers with height for newer riders. I'd suggest rollers and reasonable spacing for fun and less drama vs whoops. Keeps straights short to control speed and mix in bowled and flat turns. If you have some topography to work in off camber even better. Track should be about corner speed, throttle control, and timing to keep safe.... Not 4th or 5th gear and large throttle openings if your target is new riders.

I suck on tracks. But we built them on my grandfathers farm in my teens and I just got back from my uncles where we have a private track on his farm for his teen son and friends. 1.3 mile track with no huge hits, but I never got bored riding it all afternoon Thursday.

A pro can help you design it to optimize space and provides specifics on ramp angles heights etc. Reach out to a few via email to see who is willing to work with you and what they would charge.

 

[khan]

Thanks for the suggestions everyone.. if you could help me find a few track design companies around that would be great. I emailed Dreamtraxx.com and they said they were too busy. any other companies you guys familiar with??

I have developed a few of my own personal tracks and the most important factor is the land you are working with. You want to use as much of the natural aspects of the terrain as possible. I developed mostly wooded areas but if you have a wide open flat piece of land the possibilities are endless. Get really good dirt moving equipment it makes everything easy, you will be surprised how easy everything comes together when you are in a skidsteer !
Best of luck with the project I love to see people riding dirt!
Also keep in mind you can find some easy distances for jump builds online, it is how I started most of my jumps and the numbers are pretty spot on.

I think what i need first is not angles of jumps but just overall design as to where we should place the audience. where in the facility we should have the parking lot. Audience safety is obviously important so gotta keep them safe so someone who has some experience could help out with the overall design and not exactly the the track itself.

I am ignorant. But guessing you could set up some parallel lines with tabletops, double and triples to suit all skills. 10 acres is a good bit of room.

Absolutely. Just want to know first how should the facility be designed, audience placement, starting gates, parking etc. the actualy deisgn of the track is probably done at a later stage.

Huh, why go broke over this?

because if i dont do this now then this sport will never come to pakistan. Nobody has any clue what MX is over here and i could be the spark that brings the sport here and the youth falls in love and eventually in 50 years someone represents Pakistan in X-games or the Dakar Rally or something else. basically what Caddywumpus said below.

For the love of motorcycling

you know me!

Moin

First piece of advice, don't sink all of your money into it. They rarely break even and even rarer to turn a profit. More often than not, money losers. Keep it simple and your sink capital as low as possible. Youre absolutely spot on. This sport is not going to be profitable for the next couple of decades, people dont even have MX motorcycles here. but just really want to introduce Pakistan to a sport that never existed here and probably would never if i dont push for it now. nobody loves motorcycles as much as i do in Pakistan. its a norm in the US but its not here and i feel i owe it to the younger generation. The govt. has given me a thumbs up and theyll help with advertising at a national level. If i can kick start it, it can grow.

I'd suggest reaching out to any number of the professional track builders here in the States and offer to pay them for some consulting work. I'm not aware of any of them on Barf, but there are quite a few companies that specialize in this. do you know of anyone? i googled a few and emailed them 2 months ago. only 1 company replied so far, Dreamtraxx.com who said they were too busy. anyone else you suggest i msg?

Key items you want address is your ramp angles, heights, and distance. You don't want steep kickers with height for newer riders. I'd suggest rollers and reasonable spacing for fun and less drama vs whoops. Keeps straights short to control speed and mix in bowled and flat turns. If you have some topography to work in off camber even better. Track should be about corner speed, throttle control, and timing to keep safe.... Not 4th or 5th gear and large throttle openings if your target is new riders. exactly, plan is to keep it safe and 3rd gear max, maybe 4th if your really good in the corners. 2nd gear jumps in the begining no more to keep everyone safe. ill probably the first one getting hurt anyway, but im already half broken so its alright

I suck on tracks. But we built them on my grandfathers farm in my teens and I just got back from my uncles where we have a private track on his farm for his teen son and friends. 1.3 mile track with no huge hits, but I never got bored riding it all afternoon Thursday.

A pro can help you design it to optimize space and provides specifics on ramp angles heights etc. Reach out to a few via email to see who is willing to work with you and what they would charge. know a pro who might be interested to help? i will pay of course.

 

[ScottRNelson]

If you go to images.google.com and type in "motocross track layout", you'll have lots of ideas.

You haven't said much about what the land is like. If it's something other than a big flat place, try to come up with something that makes use of the land.

 

[khan]

These pictures are a draft, the track itself is not on scale, it was just a 3D drawing to show what the plan is. At a very very rough draft stage right now.

We jsut drew the track in 5 minutes as a rough sketch, we spent more time on the surrounding things, audience stands, parking, ambulance area, mini hospital first aid area and a workshop.

So dont think the track itself is designed at all, its just a draft.

 

[khan]

If you go to images.google.com and type in "motocross track layout", you'll have lots of ideas.

You haven't said much about what the land is like. If it's something other than a big flat place, try to come up with something that makes use of the land.

The land is flat, no hills, no elevation change. A truck full of good clean dirt is cheap. We can get 150-200 trucks of dirt in and give the track some elevation change, which will really give the track a unique personality. As this will be a beginner track with no big jumps, elevation change without jumps will just make the track not boring for slightly experienced riders. do you agree?

 

[UDRider]

Why not just look at some existing MX tracks and incorporate their design, instead of doing it from scratch?

 

[KooLaid]

Exactly. Google maps, use the measure feature on the satellite view. Some places are next to roads so you can also use street view and/or photos.

 

[bpw]

Maybe start simple, no stands etc just a few piles of dirt and some equipment to move it around. Get people out riding and change the layout as you go depending on what everyone wants. Pretty much no matter what you can assume your first try won't be perfect, so plan for easy changes.

If you have space maybe fit a flat oval in, when I was in Chile and Argentina there was a pretty solid flat track racing scene based off scooter motors in home built frames. Cheap cost of entry compared to motocross and very spectator friendly. People where out racing on regular scooters in the less competitive classes.

Nothing quite so entertaining as watching all your friends charging around a dirt track on commuter scooters.

 

[Blankpage]

For the love of motorcycling

I like motorcycling also but maybe not that much. For me its just a hobby and as such I wouldn't be willing to spend more than a few percent of saving on it. If I were trying to start a profitable business then sure I'd take bigger risks.

Cool thing about dirtbikes is you don't need to get fancy with the terrain, any old trail will do.

Good luck with the MX track OP.

 

[tuxumino]

the track will evolve over time. Learn to use a front end loader and make shapes in dirt with it.

 

[khan]

Why not just look at some existing MX tracks and incorporate their design, instead of doing it from scratch?

Have been thinking on those lines but thought an expert opinion on the layout of the facility (not just the track) would be a better way to go by this just so everything is safer and more organized.. Audience placement, run off areas, starting gates, pit lanes, there so much that needs to be incorporated, just dont want anything missed out

 

[Butch]

Metcalf used Dirtwurx
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1050702331749121&set=gm.10155492750635773&type=3&theater

 

[Whammy]

Start simple and build it out to what ever direction it leans to.
Nothing worse than spending every penny, and nobody comes or can afford to come after say their first visit or so.
Then where are you? Broke and no track at all.
Better yet how does liability work over there?
Will you have to put up a bond (insurance) in case someone gets hurt, or is it one of those you take your chances when you hit the dirt deals?
Something you may or may not have thought of.
Different country so YMMV.:ride

 

[ABC]

I remember when you were living in Sf posting on Barf about traveling across the world for your first trip. Dude you have accomplished so much over such a short period of time. What you had done for the riding community over there and setting up and managing the Barf tours you put on is nothing short of amazing. You have always been an inspiritation to me thru the years watching the cool shit you have done and the people you have help bring together..


BUILD THIS TRACK BRO!!!!! I’m rooting for you 100%.

I can’t wait to see how you configure it!

 

[khan]

Start simple and build it out to what ever direction it leans to.
Nothing worse than spending every penny, and nobody comes or can afford to come after say their first visit or so.
Then where are you? Broke and no track at all.
Better yet how does liability work over there?
Will you have to put up a bond (insurance) in case someone gets hurt, or is it one of those you take your chances when you hit the dirt deals?
Something you may or may not have thought of.
Different country so YMMV.:ride

The plan is to start simple, when i said ill put all my money in, i forget to tell you how much money i have :rofl

I live and work in pakistan, i make 1/5th of what i made in the US. Cost of living is almost the same if not more than lets say an hours out side of the bay area. so dont have all that crazy dough :rofl

but what i meant was i want to try really really hard to bring this sport to pakistan. Money cant be the only thing stopping me, there has to be bigger issue for me to not do it.

So far, I got 10 Acres of land for free for 5 years! And i have a big media group as my media partner which is a good thing as i can convince the corporate world to trust me with their money with this project.. Everythings up in the air till i get the track designed properly by someone. in talks with 3 companies right now. they have insurance issues. In pakistan theres no insurance bond or anythign like that. If you kill yourself at a motorcycle race track then its your fault, you were too dumb to get on it, probably deserved it :rofl

I remember when you were living in Sf posting on Barf about traveling across the world for your first trip. Dude you have accomplished so much over such a short period of time. What you had done for the riding community over there and setting up and managing the Barf tours you put on is nothing short of amazing. You have always been an inspiritation to me thru the years watching the cool shit you have done and the people you have help bring together..


BUILD THIS TRACK BRO!!!!! I’m rooting for you 100%.

I can’t wait to see how you configure it!

Thanks brother! Cant wait to have a year long racing season dude :teeth