Old school or new school hyper motard

[2strokebendejo]

Hey guys
I'm pretty set on getting a duck hypermotard
I had an 1100 multi before and loved the motor. Plenty of fun

I've been reading up on the new ones ,821; and obviously they are a lot more expensive
I do have the money for a newer one, and it would be cash. I only spend what I can afford
I'd like to do some others thing ( vacation, etc) as well s the bike

So, is the new version that much better? I don't commute or drive to crazy places. It would be a grocery getter , hooligan ride and a 2 up date night thing

Thx!!

 

[CasualSteve]

No experience with the new ones but the 1100 was a really fun wheels machine. Couldn't get much better than that motor in my opinion.

 

[T100]

Go here and read the good, the bad, and the ugly. You'll be able to glean a lot more info there than you will get on this forum about the HYPER.

http://www.ducati.ms/forums/

BTW, I love mine. It's only my second bike and my first Duc.

 

[SuperMotoD]

Does it have to be a Ducati ? If not look at a KTM 990 SMR or 1290 Duke. Stupid fun !

 

[RightCoastBias]

For the purposes you want to use it, it sounds like a waste. That bike should be ran hard in the hills. Not stuck in a parking garage while you catch the new Mission Inpossible.

For a city bike, I'd pick something that isn't going to get stolen as quickly and that won't cause you to cry when it gets knocked over.

That said, if I had the cash laying around I'd go new. Why? Because it's new, that's why. Things generally tend to get better and not worse when it comes to motorcycles.

 

[eworthington]

Lots to be said for ABS...

 

[kuksul08]

I have the 821 SP. Never ridden the older version, but read a lot about them.

The newer hyper is more of a peaky, high-revving, refined thing compared to the previous generation, which had more torque. I would not recommend it for a daily rider or touring bike. It's made for fast sporty riding, which it really excels at. I've never ridden anything that comes close to the fun factor... the dirt bike riding position, high revving peaky power (keeps pulling hard all the way to the limiter), snappy handling.

The features of the new one are pretty nice. I like being able to select 3 ride modes on the fly, with varying levels of power, ABS, and traction control.

I'd say you have to ride both, but make sure the hyper is right for you to begin with.

 

[mitiasbikes]

I had an 08 1100S. For your intended purposes it will do the job great (btw really good 2up due to a one piece seat). Tractor like torque, like wheelies much ? Looks and sounds great.

The bad, god awful fuel economy, like 20 to 28 mpg on average + tiny tank.
Stock suspension is garbage, no front end feel what so ever.
Awful stock folding mirrors (must change, unless you want to keep hitting cars in traffic).
Power band is very limited, its either on or off - transition is not pleasant.

 

[flying_hun]

I had an 08 1100S. For your intended purposes it will do the job great (btw really good 2up due to a one piece seat). Tractor like torque, like wheelies much ? Looks and sounds great.

The bad, god awful fuel economy, like 20 to 28 mpg on average + tiny tank.
Stock suspension is garbage, no front end feel what so ever.
Awful stock folding mirrors (must change, unless you want to keep hitting cars in traffic).
Power band is very limited, its either on or off - transition is not pleasant.

I had an 08 as well. Put over 30K miles on it. I'm guessing I'm bigger than you because I thought it was a crap 2-up bike. My fuel mileage wasn't great, but it wasn't as bad as yours. I think the worst I ever saw was right around 29 or 30, but that had to do with chasing Budman's K12S through the Nevada desert. I put the big tank on it, and solved the range issue. Yeah, the stock mirrors are kind of silly.

I never got the suspension to work the way I wanted, and there was no front end feel, but I had just come from a Telelever BMW, so that wasn't a problem. The trick is to ride it like a big MX'er, get your braking done while upright, throw it over, then get back on the gas. If there's no weight on the front end, there's nothing to worry about feeling. arty

The motor is all mid-range hit, so keep it above 4K, and shift before 8k, and surf the torque. Never ridden the new one, so I can't compare, but the guys in the video below do.

youtu.be/0LhQMCcTE1Q
https://youtu.be/0LhQMCcTE1Q
The one caveat: This bike (and I've heard the same is true of the new one) really only behaves when you ride it hard. Try to putt around on it, and both of you will be really cranky. Ride it like you stole it, and it all makes sense.

I miss mine.

 

[T100]

I have the 821 SP. Never ridden the older version, but read a lot about them.

The newer hyper is more of a peaky, high-revving, refined thing compared to the previous generation, which had more torque. I would not recommend it for a daily rider or touring bike. It's made for fast sporty riding, which it really excels at. I've never ridden anything that comes close to the fun factor... the dirt bike riding position, high revving peaky power (keeps pulling hard all the way to the limiter), snappy handling.

The features of the new one are pretty nice. I like being able to select 3 ride modes on the fly, with varying levels of power, ABS, and traction control.

I'd say you have to ride both, but make sure the hyper is right for you to begin with.

Said it way better than I could've.

 

[protokultur]

I compared the two bikes a while back in this post: http://bayarearidersforum.com/mini/showthread.php?t=431830

I am close to 30k on the 1100s and have put 2-3k on the 821 version on road trips and loaners. I've only ridden the old multi a few times. It's similar to the hyper 1100, but with a much better seat and mirrors setup, while lacking some of the weird things about the hyper, like zero wind protection, and the feeling of sitting very far forward, almost atop the front wheel. The decreased mass of the hyper also makes the low end torque supply feel relatively enormous.

I love the older aircooled bikes, probably clear after reading my review and many posts here. Since you owned a 1100 multi, you're already familiar with the characteristics of the motor, which the 821 hyper does not really duplicate. You short shift the bike and want the immediate diesel pull to be there, but it's comparatively like a rubber band spooling up.

On the other hand, it's more liveable. Quieter, better saddle, smoother in the revs, ride by wire throttle, cable clutch, has longer maintenance intervals, and is a platform that Duc will be supporting going forward. Who knows how long the Scrambler will run a 2V motor. What the 821 lacks in low end is more than made up for in the top end. At rpms where the 1100 runs out of steam, the 821 has another 1-2k's of revs and 20 more bhp to deliver.

To flying hun's point, the old bike has a way of compelling you to ride like an asshole, because lugging around on it at low speed is kind of miserable, and the bike does have a certain unfinished, ragged edge that equates to a permanent FOMO if you are not sailing up and down that torque curve. The new bike has riding modes that give you more choice. You can nerf the engine if you don't want to get constant performance awards from the local gendarmerie, or kick it into Sport mode.

 

[2strokebendejo]

Why get it? Cause I can !! And i rotate bikes ever other year. I'm sure I'll wring its neck proper. I want a twin with upright position cause of disc issues in the neck. But there is no way I'm rocking a strom or the like
Thx for the input. Looks like for me 1100 is the way and then go on vacation

 

[2strokebendejo]

Does it have to be a Ducati ? If not look at a KTM 990 SMR or 1290 Duke. Stupid fun !

If I could afford the 1290 I would
Smr is hard to find

 

[2strokebendejo]

For the purposes you want to use it, it sounds like a waste. That bike should be ran hard in the hills. Not stuck in a parking garage while you catch the new Mission Inpossible.

For a city bike, I'd pick something that isn't going to get stolen as quickly and that won't cause you to cry when it gets knocked over.

That said, if I had the cash laying around I'd go new. Why? Because it's new, that's why. Things generally tend to get better and not worse when it comes to motorcycles.

So I shouldn't get the bike I want? Lol
You think I should get a klr with a milk crate? Lol
My bikes sit in my garage unless I'm on it

 

[kuksul08]

Why get it? Cause I can !! And i rotate bikes ever other year. I'm sure I'll wring its neck proper. I want a twin with upright position cause of disc issues in the neck. But there is no way I'm rocking a strom or the like
Thx for the input. Looks like for me 1100 is the way and then go on vacation

Funny you mention it. I have a strom as well. It's a real hoot, but comes nowhere close to the fun experience of the hyper despite being nearly as fast.

You know there is a new hyper coming out in a couple months? They already released it, and it has an Ohlins fork.

 

[RightCoastBias]

So I shouldn't get the bike I want? Lol
You think I should get a klr with a milk crate? Lol
My bikes sit in my garage unless I'm on it

Pretty much. Seems like a waste of money for such a good bike to sit in some garage and to go get milk.

You're prerogative, but I wouldn't waste 15k on something that's not going to get used. Guess this is why people can get good deals on Ducatis with low mileage.

 

[strictlyJDM]

1100S will be my next bike. I remember when it came out...it was one hot bike. Still is

 

[2strokebendejo]

Pretty much. Seems like a waste of money for such a good bike to sit in some garage and to go get milk.

You're prerogative, but I wouldn't waste 15k on something that's not going to get used. Guess this is why people can get good deals on Ducatis with low mileage.

So you come into a thread about the pros and cons of a specific model and basically say I'm wasting away a bike have you owned a hyper? Yes / no? No actual input. Go find another thread to be self righteous on Jerkoffs always know better( some "right coast" slang for ya)
I ride bikes and well. Most likely longer than you have

You know it's better to be positive then to pull that lame shit
No wonder so many people don't post here

 

[EEL]

I am an 1100 evo (albeit 2v monster) owner but I've tried both versions of the engine (2v and 4v)

1) I'll vouch for the statement that the 2v motor on-off character and how it makes you ride like an asshole all the time. That's partly why the 2v are so fun.

2) All out, if you tried, you can go WFO on the 1100 motors on the street. It is, in my opinion the absolute maximum you would want to go without guaranteeing death in the hills. The same can't be said of the 821's.

To put it a different way, I rode with an hyper 821 about a month ago. While I was in 6th gear blasting thru that last bit of grin inducing 4-8k rpm range, he's still got 2 gears left (that he can't use on the street)

3) Ducati suspension is almost always too soft in front and too hard in the back. It needs fixing if you are going to push your limits but 821s don't have adjustable fronts from what I recall (unless you get the more expensive sp version). 1100s have fully adjustable fronts so fixing them to a reasonable level can be done with just some new springs and adjustment of the compression / rebound settings.

4) I wouldnt trade I'm my 1100 for anything now that I have it sorted. But if I didn't have it, I would seriously consider a 1290 ktm instead. I have not ridden one but from what everyone who has ridden one (and ridden ducatis) has told me, it comes much more sorted out of the box.

Not only does it have the low end grunt (beyond the 1100) but also the top end. The drawback is the weight. Properly setup (mods included), the 1100 2v can be around 395 with a full tank. You're pushing probably 450-460 in the same manner with the ktm. With the 821, you're pushing 415-420lbs

 

[edzx6]

I have the new 821. If you buy the non SP version you will be having the awesome guys at Plush Suspension installing new fork internals. The standard 821 forks are (to me) horrible and have no adjustments. The best you can do is put 15w oil in them but that just make it rideable. So if I could do it all over I would buy the SP and not have to deal with the forks. I ride mine daily for a 40 mile each way commute. It is not comfortable at all but I still love the bike. It is extremely fun at track days.