New Rear Tire...

[1down5up]

:| Yep, the title says it all. Service advisor says "Please be careful, its a new tire, take it easy for the next 100 miles." I rode away from Burlingame Yamaha on my fresh new Bridgestone Battlax BT002 (still has the non stick film on it whatever thats called). Im at a red light about to turn left and I notice a cop also at a red light on the intersecting street im about to turn on. I figured: New tire, cop, weathers cold.... Lets just take it easy on this one, eh?

So I start to roll into the intersection very conservatively, as conservatively anybody in the right mind would be in front of a cop and then...Vroooooooom!!!....CRACK!!!! My rear tire slipped like Janet Jackson's right tit right on the thick paint of the crosswalk. :thumbdown

So needless to say, the cop drove up a few feet to where the 2 of us were lying and asked me if I was ok. He acknowledged the fact that I was traveling at a safe speed and asked me if I locked the rear tire. It was just a simple smooth accel out of a turn. Shattered my left frame slider, snapped the left handlebar, and bodywork is scratched. My left forearm got an ok sized rash along with my knee, but for the most part nothing happened.

Who would have known that my fate was to go down at 10 mph in an intersection versus 84 last weekend that I rode like a track and melted the last of my tire I love to show this picture off

My accident was still very preventable. I could have straightened out as I was going over the crosswalk. So what do we take from this? NEW TIRES ARE LIKE ICE, be careful, break it in properly.... or else.....

 

[Just J]

Whoa. Glad that you're relatively ok. New tires are very very slippery...

 

[Cycle61]

My left forearm got an ok sized rash along with my knee...

So what do we take from this?

Wear your fucking gear, even if you're just riding around town. ATGATT :thumbup

That's what I'd take from it.

 

[1down5up]

Wear your fucking gear, even if you're just riding around town. ATGATT :thumbup

That's what I'd take from it.

Actually in this case Im glad i didnt! Ive had much worse on a bicycle. I only have a 1 piece suit and I didnt buy that to chew it up on a petty drop like this. I agree with you and if I had a jacket it would have been on, just not the suit

 

[WHOisDAN]

New tires are always sketchy. I usually wash and scrub them with simple green.

I hope you have a quick recovery. Definitely invest in a jacket.

 

[afm199]

there is no coating on new tires, just a very smooth surface. You can break them in in one lap on the track or a few miles in the twisties. All you need to do is slightly wear the surface. The white paint on crosswalks is extremely slippery. As you found out.

Wear your gear. We live in the age of necrotizing fascitis. A would like that can take weeks to heal, and if you get a bad staph infection, you are FUCKED.

 

[Archimedes]

there is no coating on new tires, just a very smooth surface. You can break them in in one lap on the track or a few miles in the twisties. All you need to do is slightly wear the surface. The white paint on crosswalks is extremely slippery. As you found out.

Wear your gear. We live in the age of necrotizing fascitis. A would like that can take weeks to heal, and if you get a bad staph infection, you are FUCKED.

+1 on the tire comment, +1000 on the infection comment. Unfortunately, once you realize an infection has gotten bad, you can already be in deep shit.

 

[Sidewalk]

"Please be careful, its a new tire, take it easy for the next 100 miles."

I am at full lean by lap two on new tires. New tires are about as slick as cold tires, ride appropriately. Odds are you hit oil/antifreeze.

Actually in this case Im glad i didnt! Ive had much worse on a bicycle. I only have a 1 piece suit and I didnt buy that to chew it up on a petty drop like this. I agree with you and if I had a jacket it would have been on, just not the suit

Are you kidding? You would have a black scruff mark instead of a rip in your skin! My leathers have gone on the track several times, I still wear them. Usually I just get a little scuff damage, nothing serious. Nothing that would prevent me from wearing them at 170 MPH on a sidecar!

That is like disabling the airbag in your car so you don't screw up the steering wheel in a crash :wtf

 

[Enchanter]

Since this is Crash Analysis,

What did you do to contribute to this crash?

What will you differently should you find yourself in this situation again?

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[MrCrash]

A 002 is a track tire, isn't it? It pays to be extra careful with those - they're even more cold-blooded until you have them up to temp. Like you said, maybe you could have kept the bike more upright as you got them up to temp, maybe you could have dropped your pressures a little bit (did you check them?), or made sure your throttle hand was that much more gentle.

I did a quick Google search on the tire, and came up with this. From the sounds of things, they could be even more cold blooded than other track / race tires:

First, in a nutshell: The good: Awesome traction when warm. Triangular shape makes it very stable, easy to tip over and a wider contact patch when leaning. The best front tire I have ever had on any motorcycles.

The bad: Need to be warmed up. No recommended in the rain.

The ugly: even after riding for almost 20 years, tons of warnings by others, including people on VFRD and the guy who sold them to me, I dropped the bike on cold tires.

Sounds like they were cold enough to catch out a guy with a fair amount of experience. In a way, they almost sound like the Michelins a few years ago. Also, if it was cold enough for condensation to form on that crosswalk paint, that could have easily aggravated the situation. The paint on the curbs at Infineon Raceway are slick as snot when it's wet.

100 miles is their blanket statement to remove them from liability. As many have said, if you're careful doing it, you can get them "ready to go" in much less time.

 

[Enchanter]

Good to hear it wasn't worse. Hang in there...

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:rolleyes

 

[ucb]

What was the rear tire inflated at?

 

[onyx2000si]

Man, that is amazing. I'll take a lot from this. As a fairly new rider, I did not understand that tires really do make a huge difference. I'm a little worried now. I just purchased an rr off of someone and his tires are michelin dual compounds. I hear they are really great tires, but looks like I should do some research on them before I go for a long ride or anything.

I'm sorry to hear about the crash, man. Hopefully you can recover quick so you can make it to AMA...

Heal quick!

 

[iehawk]

Glad you're okay.

I remember having to make a U-turn coming out of Santa Clara Cycle after both tires got replaced. I realized that you were easy on the throttle, but how was your lean angle? I remember going super easy on the throttle, that people behind me had to wait. But I was also keeping the bike as upright as possible, turning literally, mostly with the handle bar.

You did mention another factor contributing to the crash... the painted line... those are slippery.

 

[MrCrash]

that sux.
hope yer arm & leg heals nicely.
are you out for Tuesday?

Just a reminder guys, the only comments allowed in the Crash Analysis subforum are those that deal with the fall itself, including the reasons it happened and what can be done to prevent it from happening again.

 

[MrCrash]

Good to here that nothing too bad happened. Make sure your wounds are clean. Remember chicks dig scars:thumbup. Hopefully soon both of us will be back on the road. :ride

Just a reminder guys, the only comments allowed in the Crash Analysis subforum are those that deal with the fall itself, including the reasons it happened and what can be done to prevent it from happening again.

Come on folks

 

[paladinnorcal]

What I learned from this crash

1. When the Service Adviser tells you that your new tires are slippery, BELIEVE HIM.

2. Tires suitable for track use take a while to warm up, so be extra careful at the beginning.

3. Painted surfaces are slippery.

4. Too much throttle with new race tires that take awhile to warm up will put you on the pavement.

5. Not wearing gear combined with 4 will get you 6.

6.

 

[ucb]

Didnt you crash on your 250 at an offramp? I thought I read that post around here somewhere. Also if that was you and your a new rider why do you have a cbr?:wtf

because they are mad tight. I have one too :teeth

I asked before and was not answered. What was the rear tire pressure?

 

[nvp]

Actually in this case Im glad i didnt! Ive had much worse on a bicycle. I only have a 1 piece suit and I didnt buy that to chew it up on a petty drop like this. I agree with you and if I had a jacket it would have been on, just not the suit

This assumes you can fall and select exactly how hurt you will get during a specific incident, therefore, it's one of the silliest things I have ever read on BARF. (Which is saying a lot.) Could you have broken your elbow instead? Absolutely. In that case what would be your cost/benefit analysis?

So... "save your leathers for when you really really need them"?

Why didn't I think of that? :|

 

[Espionage101]

I want to make an ATGATT point.
I will do so by first showing you a link that shows what my suit looked like semi- brand new. And then show a picture of what it looks like now.

I rode the suit with duct tape for one session of T-Hill then retired it from track use.


point 1. http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174726&highlight=dannisport

it went through on more owner before finally becoming mine.

2 lowsides at T-Hill later....... NO blood spilled and no broken bones. :thumbup


Wearing gear could cost less then your ambulance ride to the hospital to treat a minor injury. The economy is bad, save money. lol

Bests,
Dave