Motorcycling passion in Europe is done?

MadHorse

MadHorse

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Hi everybody!

Here's a small reflection about motorcycling is becoming in Europe due to anti pollution laws... I'm worried that soon here bikes will be a ctrl c + ctrl v :x


youtu.be//u5TgdKph-84
 
MadHorse

MadHorse

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ichabodnt650 said:
Non capisco niente di quello che dici ... finché non accendo i sottotitoli
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I'm sorry man but my english pronunciation is awful, furthermore most of Italians english level is stuck on elementary Unit 1 "The book is on the table" :rofl

So I've found a point of balance :ride
 
berth

berth

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Well, I'm not worried.

Consider the Honda CB500 series. Same motor, 4 quite different bikes. I don't know how the motors are tuned, but I assume that the CB500R is tuned different than the Rebel 500.

Looking at the BMW 750 and 850 bikes. Same motor, different tuning and mapping. VERY different motorcycles.

These "Euro 5" laws simply moving things along for a complacent industry designed to squeak the last buck out of amortized tooling.

As for Ducati moving on from is dry clutches and desmo valve system, not necessarily a bad thing. For sure, part of the legacy character of the bikes, but clearly it hamstrung the factory and engineers in someway as well.

So, no, I don't quite see the crisis like the video guy does. It's just the nature of change in a fast moving economy.
 
MadHorse

MadHorse

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berth said:
Well, I'm not worried.

Consider the Honda CB500 series. Same motor, 4 quite different bikes. I don't know how the motors are tuned, but I assume that the CB500R is tuned different than the Rebel 500.

Looking at the BMW 750 and 850 bikes. Same motor, different tuning and mapping. VERY different motorcycles.

These "Euro 5" laws simply moving things along for a complacent industry designed to squeak the last buck out of amortized tooling.

As for Ducati moving on from is dry clutches and desmo valve system, not necessarily a bad thing. For sure, part of the legacy character of the bikes, but clearly it hamstrung the factory and engineers in someway as well.

So, no, I don't quite see the crisis like the video guy does. It's just the nature of change in a fast moving economy.
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Nice opinion, I don't like at all how is changing motorcycling but I understand that economic nature needs changes constantly. I only hope that quality will not drop too much.
 
K

ksandvik

abracadabra
The motorcycle engine sizes have increased over time. I remember back in Finland in the seventies where a Honda cb300 was considered a big bike.... I don't mind the A1 versus A2 licensing system in Europe, saves lives. And for Euro compliance, as with Formula 1, makes the engineer to think more and make more interesting designs.
 
rodr

rodr

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Are these changes driven more by economics, or by anti-pollution laws? Anyway saving the planet is pretty important. Thanks for the video.
 
OldMadBrit

OldMadBrit

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I think its as much about demographics as legislation. European teens just don't get into bikes the way that we did when we were that age.

In 70's Europe, bikes were affordable transport - cars were out of reach.
Now bikes are primarily adult toys. The market is shrinking as the average age of riders just gets older and older.
 
Slow Goat

Slow Goat

Fun Junkie
Obviously couldn’t understand the language in the video.....but if it’s about younger people not embracing motoring (2 or 4 wheels) it’s not surprising given the costs and the fact that other things are more accessible for entertainment.

Despite that, the present are the glory days of muscle cars! 500 to 700hp from the showroom floor with handling the engineers from the 60s/70s couldn’t dream of.

Bikes meeting Euro5 standards putting out 150hp+ are commonplace.

I think we live in a great time.
 
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