Ideas on protection in head on collisions?

greenmonster

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq_2-Qrkydk

Not sure if you guys watch Dandanthefireman safety vids on Youtube but he mentions the danger involved in head on collisions like the one in the video. Specifically the danger to the groin/pelvis area from sliding forward into the tank or handlebars.
Any thoughts on protective gear? I can only think of wearing an athletic cup but do I really want to put that on every time I want to ride?
 

dravnx

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A buddy of mine T boned a car that jumped out of a parking lot. He smashed up his pelvis and tore his urethra. I don't think a cup is much protection.
 

greenmonster

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That’s what I mean, I have a great helmet, jacket, pants and gloves but nothing for “down there”. I’m sitting with my legs open a few inches away from the gas tank and in a head on I’m going to hit that thing pretty hard. Maybe this is a risk that can’t be eliminated?
 

edzx6

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Had 2 head on in my riding time. One about 30 years ago downtown WC guy cuts left to make it before traffic, didn't see me on the BRIGHT RED BIKE in the intersection. Took me out head on. Compound elbow and bruising from head to toe. Surprised I didnt end up with broken pelvis as it was a Hawk GT and I rode that tank for all it was worth.

Second on Redwood Road 10 years later my ZX7, ass hat is looking behind him to not get rear ended and cuts left across a double yellow to park on the wrong side of the road facing the wrong way so he can take his dog for a walk. Tore off right pinky finger and crushed left wrist when I tried to tuck and roll at 50 MPH. In Jiujitsu class when we practice falling it isnt at 50 plum MPH. So when I went to roll I reached out with my left hand and planted it on the ground rather than roll over my shoulder.

Both sucked and I highly advise against getting into a head on. Other than that, not much to say. :)
 

edzx6

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Oh yea, full leathers gear on 2nd one. 1st one was in slacks and a cotton shirt.

I advise leathers.
 

dravnx

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A cup ain't gonna save your pelvis and will probably do more harm then good. You'll be driving hard plastic parts into your groin.
 
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greenmonster

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Yep , scary stuff for sure. Perhaps the chances of this are small, in other words, what are the chances of getting into a moto accident, then out of that number what is the chance of a head on where groin/pelvic injuries occur? Perhaps the number is too small to be worried about (until it happens to you)
 

bobl

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Remember the luggage racks mounted on the tank on old Triumphs? We used to call that a nut cutter. I don't know what would mitigate a head on.
 

berth

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Yea, the current Wing has an airbag option (at least it did, I assume they kept it).
 

CDONA

Home of Vortex tuning
I was thinking on how to divert vertically, like an instant ramp, air bag style, to fly over the threat.
Or, some rocket attached like a JATO, rocket assisted take off.
It is the landings I can't fix yet. Ejection seats have chutes, but the altitude you need to make it work.
 

greenmonster

Well-known member
An ejection seat to go up and over, sounds interesting. Then you only have to worry about the landing. Cars used to have metal dashboards until they figured out those were unsafe. Aren’t metal gas tanks in that same category?
 

DataDan

Mama says he's bona fide
Wendy Moon wrote about the gas tank impact hazard in a 2005 Motorcycle Consumer News article, Dangerous Designs?:

According to the database on motorcycle accidents collected by the Southern California Injury Prevention Research Center, pelvic fractures occurred in 10.96% of the total 3720 accidents studied. Worse, pelvic fractures have a 50% mortality rate (deadly in half the cases). Although not all pelvic fractures occur in frontal crashes, many do. And because the abdomen is between the pelvis and the gas tank. vital organs will he injured if the rider comes into hard, sudden contact with certain tank shapes, not the least of which are both the male and female genitalia well as a woman's reproductive organs.

"Pelvic injuries may not be as life-threatening as a head injury," wrote Dr. Wobrock, who holds a PhD in Biomedical Engineering, "but they can be very debilitating and result in dysfunctions affecting an individual's ability to reproduce, ability to walk, ability to urinate. etc. and result in a dramatic decrease in quality of life." Such injuries include: pelvic fractures; castration; temporary or permanent penile dysfunction and/or mutilation; clitoral and labial deformity; abdominal injuries including rupture of such organs as the uterus, spleen and intestines; internal bleeding; bladder injuries; and renal failure.

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Pelvic fractures, Wobrock found, are directly related to motorcycle design. Apart from the actual fracture, they often produce severe internal bleeding that's hard to diagnose in time and equally hard to halt even if the patient undergoes surgery. And, apart from other injuries, shock is present 40% of the time.

The most common pelvis fracture was the so-called "open-book fracture" that occurs when the hip bones, which normally point forward, are spread 90deg outward and resemble an open book. For men especially, open-book fractures necessarily entail other debilitating and, at least temporarily, lifechanging injuries to the genitals. But these kind of fractures also make lower abdominal injuries more likely, since the bony cage that protects them is cracked open--and those injuries can be life-threatening or, at the very least, complicate the healing process. Genital damage from blunt force trauma can be permanent and result in the complete loss of sexual activity as well as normal urination.
Ugh.
 

bpw

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I read BMW designed some of their bikes (r1200?) to push the rider up and over the tank/bars/faring. The tanks and fairings are smooth and shaped so your legs slide over and around them.
 

greenmonster

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I read BMW designed some of their bikes (r1200?) to push the rider up and over the tank/bars/faring. The tanks and fairings are smooth and shaped so your legs slide over and around them.

My bike is a BMW R1200RT, so this good news to me if correct
 

berth

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I read BMW designed some of their bikes (r1200?) to push the rider up and over the tank/bars/faring. The tanks and fairings are smooth and shaped so your legs slide over and around them.

Yea I was going to ask if any of the manufacturers modified their tank designs to take any of this in to consideration.
 

budman

General Menace
Staff member
There is no protection from physics.

A head on is typically a huge hit and the human body is not made to absorb that kind of force. Padding armor etc can only do so much.

I had a friend get in one that was alert enough to jump up and off the bike. Flew like a bird and got hurt but lived by avoiding the impact.

Avoid the impact. That is all ya got.
 

unhinged

unsatisficed
I didn't think of jumping into the air in my recent side-on crash, but it happened by luck. It's hard to imagine pulling that off reliably. I did get some road rash uncomfortably close to my groin, which isn't a scenario I thought of before.

The bike-mounted airbag concept seems like it could help. I could see it helping in some cases but hurting in others if it stopped you flying away. But people used to say this about seatbelts.

Ejection seats? Sure. Use AI vision to adjust how much ejection force to use depending on what you're about to hit. Maybe the handlebar and seat could launch with you, and deploy airbags for landing. No problem. Or it becomes a Star Wars speeder bike in the air. Use propellers to float away from danger. Once we have Batteries of the Future, electric bikes can power these no problem. Also helpful for driving off cliffs.
 
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Whammy

Veteran of Road Racing
Whammy wants one of those kits for his bike.
Did anyone find it in the description . I can't read the tiny writting on my phone.....:wow
 
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