Front End Confidence.

Robert R1

Well-known member
My biggest problem at the moment is front end traction. I always think about it when railing. I don't have a problem with the rear moving around but I hate having to worry about Front End traction.

I'm comfortable only to the point that the front end twitches or gets a small slide that I can catch with the throttle. How do you progress your comfort level to the point you can be as "reckless" with the front end as you are with the rear. I don't death grip the handle bars or make jerky body motions or inputs on the bike.
 

Ducky_Fresh

Treasure Hunter
Wouldn't that mean the front end is kinda heavy or the weight is uneven between front and rear?

Change the rake? Or maybe the fork springs entirely? I have no clue, just going on what I'd assume would be options to correcting that.

Also, what tires?

- Ev
 

MrCrash

King of FAIL
The following notes aren't so much a "how to" on front end traction, as much as an example of "this is what seemed to work for me".

That being said, I think suspension setup and your approach to the corner are both big parts of it. I used to consider entry and micorner speed to be strong points in my riding.

I looked at things in the following way: If you're off the gas, the front end feels as though it pushes out, away from the bike. If you're on the gas, the front end feels as though it pushes forward. Out is bad. Forward, you can control. And for longer than you think.

For example. approaching Turn 9 at Thunderhill. I used to brake at the 2 marker, turning the bike in towards the apex one marker after that. Following those reference points, I knew the front end would start to push at a certain point of the turn. I made sure I had the throttle back open at that point to control the front slide.

Learn how the front end of the bike feels right before the front end starts to push, and negotiate a corner around that. A good turn to practice pushing the front end is Turn 9 at Willow Springs. "Riverside" at Buttonwillow is very similar.

Once you start to get an idea of how the bike feels when the front end is starting to push, try making some suspension adjustments. With the front end set up optimally, you can feel the front slide, in a smooth manner. Less than optimally, it typically wanted to chatter out.

It's hard to describe and it had it's shortcomings, but my old setup when I was very strong on entry and midcorner speed involved a lot of low speed compression damping in the forks, was slightly oversprung, with sag numbers on the high side of acceptable. My rear shock was also low on low speed compression (resulting in tearing), but as a result of the rear end compliance, weighting the bike on corner entries wouldn't load up the front end of the bike quite so much.
 

mikeyjudkins

Well-known member
MrCrash907 said:
A good turn to practice pushing the front end is Turn 9 at Willow Springs. "Riverside" at Buttonwillow is very similar.

I exit the apex at Riverside at 110 according to telemetry and my front feels rock solid...guess I could be going faster.....fooking insane though!
 

Robert R1

Well-known member
Holeshot said:
What do you mean by telemtry?

You can connect sensors to your bike that can log various real time data from the bike and send it to a laptop. You can then breakdown/dissect to the smallest point, someone's riding/driving corner to corner and compare lap after lap. Very cool stuff.
 

Holeshot

Super Moderator
Staff member
that's cool. I didn't know that stuff was even affordable. Where and how much?
 

mikeyjudkins

Well-known member
telemetry

Well, I had it done the unofficial way - with the guy that had it installed following me. But, I did look around and had my eye on this one that is super nice (RPM, MPH, and it looks like there is even a suspension sensor you can get) for $695:

http://www.advantagemotorsports.com/PDG.htm

if you shop around and see something thats a better deal let me know.

MJ
 
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