Experience using different types of smart pens?

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quicksparks

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I'm not talking about a stylus for a tablet, but a pen that captures your writing while using it on paper.

I've spent some time researching the options out there; they're in the $130 - $250 price range so I don't want to be brash and throw my money away on what might be a gimmick. I am looking for BARF feedback on whether the increase in productivity justifies the cost or not.

Here's why I'm interested in smart pens: I carry a paper notebook and a pen with me to meetings, and I write minutes and notes by hand. Then, I want to be able to convert the notes easily into ASCII characters on a computer so I can put them in a document or an email. This is to save me the hassle of typing up the notes manually. I realize I could type the notes in the first place, but I just don't work that way. A pen and notebook are much less of a burden to carry around and use on a moment's notice than a chunky laptop. I like to use diagrams and sketches in my notes. Plus, I heard that people are able to remember things better if they write them by hand.

I do not want to write with a stylus on a tablet. I'm pretty much married to the idea of a seamless transition from a notebook to a text file that is transparent to the user while they are taking notes.

Features I don't want:
  1. Audio recording.
  2. Low pressure sensitivity (for capturing artistic sketches).

Features I do want:
  1. Enough battery life to get through a day or two without recharging.
  2. Good ergonomics.
  3. Smooth transcription workflow.
  4. Ability to capture and convert small handwriting (roughly 11 pt font equivalent).
  5. Ability to capture and convert cursive handwriting.

Features that are interesting to me, but I fear they might be executed poorly:
  1. Ability to write on any surface.
  2. Ability to capture writing without being tethered to a device, allowing for syncing later.

Here are the options I'm considering right now (open to other suggestions):
  1. Livescribe 3 - requires special paper (it has tiny targets printed all over so the pen can determine its position in the notebook), captures audio, must be synced with device while writing, requires proprietary ink cartridges.
  2. Neo N2 - requires special paper, captures audio, supports standalone note capture (sync later), uses standard ink cartridges.
  3. Equil Smart Pen 2 - can write on any paper (uses a separate motion capture device that you clip onto the page), doesn't capture audio, can sync later, uses standard ink cartridges.

There are some more variations on the Livescribe, which I didn't bother to enumerate in this list. There are some expected new arrivals that aren't available yet, like the Phree, which lets you write on any surface, but doesn't actually use any ink.

Of the three I listed, I think the Neo N2 fits my needs best. The Livescribe can't take notes without being synced with another device sitting next to it, and one review said it had poor battery life. I like the Equil concept of being able to use whatever paper I want, but I'm afraid the process of changing pages will be cumbersome. With the Neo N2, I would be able to flip back to older pages to edit them, and the pen will have an absolute reference to be able to make the edits with no extra effort on my part.

Thanks in advance for any advice or warnings.
 

corndog67

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I tried using a smart pen, but my writing still looks like shit. Spelling and punctuation is good though.
 

quicksparks

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Welp I went and got the Neo Smartpen N2. I'm pretty happy with it so far. I think the pen's efficacy depends a lot on the use case. I can see how the technology could improve, but for what I intend to do with it, I think it'll work out nicely.

Battery life is shorter than I expected. After using it to write eight pages of A4 notes, the pen was warning me to recharge. If you're using it for lecture notes or meeting minutes you should plug it in whenever you can.

The pen itself captures everything I write and draw very well. The free app provided by NeoLAB Convergence Inc. can satisfactorily transcribe handwritten notes to ASCII characters. It captures very small writing as well as cursive. With cursive, it's very easy for the app to trip on generous swoops and think that the writer intended to write one word when they really wrote two. This results in gibberish here and there. Also, you can't rely on it to predictably interpret punctuation correctly.

The app makes it very easy to sort, search, or share your notes. Besides transcribing in English, the app can translate to different languages: Chinese, Dutch, French, German, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Swedish, Thai, and Turkish. I have no way of testing any of these (maybe the Spanish to some extent), but that's what the app claims to do.

Unfortunately, the most powerful features of the Neo Smartpen N2 are constrained by the app. As long as you store all your digitized notes on your smart device (iOS or Android) and use the app to handle them, you won't notice this shortcoming. But when you share, email, or upload your notes, you will then have to rely on different systems on your laptop or desktop computer to handle your notes.

For now I am taking the free route and autosaving my notes to Google Drive. This will let me save and recall PDF copies of my notes for work or personal use, but won't let me search them by tag or keyword, like I could do in the app.

Another autosave option available in the app is Evernote. Right now I feel like Evernote overlaps too much with other systems I use, but if I get frustrated with not being able to search my notes on my laptop, I might give Evernote a shot.
 

packnrat

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so with this gismo you trace what has been written in ink on paper. and it copy's this traced image to a computer? got this right?

if so interesting toy. what's next a copy machine, or a scanner? :teeth


i agree i do not like the "electronic write on pads. give me a better grade fine point pen (with black ink) any day.


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Cycle61

What the shit is this...
so with this gismo you trace what has been written in ink on paper. and it copy's this traced image to a computer? got this right?

if so interesting toy. what's next a copy machine, or a scanner? :teeth


i agree i do not like the "electronic write on pads. give me a better grade fine point pen (with black ink) any day.


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No, it saves as you write. So you have paper and electronic copies of handwritten notes immediately.
 

quicksparks

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Depending on what systems you currently employ (e.g. scanner and OCR software), a smart pen might be superfluous. I am still evaluating it -- haven't come to a conclusion yet but it's looking good so far.

Scanning is certainly an option. For me, I wasn't happy with the extra step of walking over to the scanner and tearing out pages or trying to get a bound notebook to scan properly. I know Iron Mountain offers digitizing services and there are probably others. That would not be in real time though.

I think the value for me is in not having to think about it, aside from learning how to use the smart pen and app system.

jt2, thanks for the suggestion about OneNote. I didn't know it could do OCR. I'll try it.
 

jt2

Eschew Obfuscation
jt2, thanks for the suggestion about OneNote. I didn't know it could do OCR. I'll try it.

:thumbup

Also, if you're using Onedrive to store and the Onenote app, you can take a picture of, say a whiteboard and if the handwriting is legible (or a sign, etc.), it will instantly OCR and become searchable in your desktop instance of Onenote.

Needless to say, I'm a big Onenote fan.
 

auntiebling

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i put an extra I in pens.

i was thinking that if my penis were smart, it could have saved me a lot of headache, and maybe even some heartache, in my 20s.
 

jh2586

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At first glance I read that as "smart penis" :laughing

I was gonna reply with "they don't exist"
 

HappyHighwayman

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This would have been ridiculously useful for my interviews except:

1. My handwriting sucks and even if I go fast I'm not nearly as fast as typing notes.
2. I can't record the conversations legally without consent and it would be annoying to ask and some people might say no.

The one I was looking at used a laser to read special microdots on paper so you needed to use their proprietary notebook. I haven't looked into it in years.
 

Blankpage

alien
2. I can't record the conversations legally without consent and it would be annoying to ask and some people might say no.

When I go into certain meetings I hit record on my phone or carry a recorder. I also record some conference calls. I've never mentioned it or asked for permission. It helps a lot when people claim that they didn't say what they actually did say. I know the difference but I don't mention why I'm sure of what they said.
 

revnort

Tasty Pants
I worked on the precursor to all these, but it was a children's toy. The guy that spearheaded it at LeapFrog went and started live scribe.

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HappyHighwayman

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When I go into certain meetings I hit record on my phone or carry a recorder. I also record some conference calls. I've never mentioned it or asked for permission. It helps a lot when people claim that they didn't say what they actually did say. I know the difference but I don't mention why I'm sure of what they said.

You're breaking the law, and breaking trust with your clients or employees, and you could never go "Nuh-uh, you said XXX not YYY" without revealing the recording. Also it's unethical.

If I found out someone I knew was doing it there would be consequences.
 

quicksparks

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I want to truly close out this thread. I use the search function on forums and hate it when my question has been discussed and never answered because the OP never saw the reason to come back.

The technology just isn't there yet. It's too fraught with errors to be useful. I love writing and drawing but also value digitally stored information for its scalability. For this I'll choose to transcribe text and scan sketches that I might need to refer to later.

A few months ago I decided to eliminate the smartpen from my workflow and sell it. It captures each stroke with 98% accuracy which seems good enough but isn't when you do really fine sketch work. This seems highly sensitive to variations in the printed notebooks and pen angle. I can't quite get out of the habit of holding a pen at too shallow of an angle for the Neo's liking, and the quality control of the notebooks isn't there. I've had pages that transcribed like shit, despite following best practices. I isolated it to problems with the printed pattern that the pen uses to orient itself.

The OCR function is only useful in-app and even then, can't replace manual typing to transcribe handwritten notes.
 
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