Dirt/MX jump question

khan

khan

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So i just built a jump and a landing area, i havnt had the balls to jump it yet. Ive read a bit and searched up youtube but it just doesn't answer my question.

My question is how do i judge how fast i need to be for this particular jump. The distance between the jump and landing is about 7 or 8 feet but of course the jump angle is important too and i have no idea how i can tell you guys that.

but lets say you see a Table Top jump that you haven't ridden before or you go to a new MX track that you have ridden before and you see a few jumps, how do you know how fast to go to clear a certain jump. If you go slow you will land at the top of the landing area and crash, if you go too fast you'll completely miss it. how do you decide on what speed to be at is my question.

I'm riding a YZ250f

thanks guys!
 
SM610

SM610

Well-known member
This is what "tabletop" jumps are for. You can land on top just a little further every time until you've cleared it.

Fill in the jump/landing gap.
 
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byke

byke

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You can either watch someone else do it and learn from that, but really you should ride a thousand laps at a bunch of different tracks and you'd have the best answer because you'll then know the answer. With that said, and I know you built this yourself, but the vast majority of jumps around here won't result in eating it no matter how short you come up, provided that you land with the bike straight. Most jumps you could come up short nose low and be okay, or short with the front end high and be okay. What's bad is when you come up short crossed up, you'll bounce back the other way and in the air and essentially land in a sucky highside. Be careful, your question is scary!
 
khan

khan

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SM610 said:
This is what "tabletop" jumps are for. You can land on top just a little further every time until you've cleared it.

Fill in the jump/landing gap.
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Im gonna do this. thanks man.

byke said:
You can either watch someone else do it and learn from that, but really you should ride a thousand laps at a bunch of different tracks and you'd have the best answer because you'll then know the answer. With that said, and I know you built this yourself, but the vast majority of jumps around here won't result in eating it no matter how short you come up, provided that you land with the bike straight. Most jumps you could come up short nose low and be okay, or short with the front end high and be okay. What's bad is when you come up short crossed up, you'll bounce back the other way and in the air and essentially land in a sucky highside. Be careful, your question is scary!
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Im in Pakistan. No one here has ever jumped anything. there are no tracks either. i plan to come to the bay next month, I'm going to as you barfers to plan a barf date at a MX track :D
 
ScottRNelson

ScottRNelson

Mr. Dual Sport Rider
If you built your own jump, I would suggest starting out with something about two feet high and don't bother with a landing area. Go off it slowly, then try again at a faster speed. At some point you'll be able to go fast enough that you'll start thinking about making a landing for it where you come down.

Then little by little make it higher and adjust your landing area. You'll get a pretty good understanding of the right speed for that jump which will likely help you with other jumps.

Starting out a little at a time is way better than going big at the start. :ride
 
khan

khan

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SM610 said:
Pakistan has a new Evil Knievelstan!!
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Haha I wish.

I borrowed some land from a friend to prepare it for a dirt track. I'm thinking to just let it be flat with berms for now and get use to it then slowly add a few jumps and a whoop section. I have about 5-6 more folks here ready to give dirt a try. I'm scared of dirt bikes every time I ride one it seems like it's my first time on a motorcycle :thumbdown
 
ScottRNelson

ScottRNelson

Mr. Dual Sport Rider
khan said:
I borrowed some land from a friend to prepare it for a dirt track. I'm thinking to just let it be flat with berms for now and get use to it then slowly add a few jumps and a whoop section. I have about 5-6 more folks here ready to give dirt a try. I'm scared of dirt bikes every time I ride one it seems like it's my first time on a motorcycle :thumbdown
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I would suggest leaving out the jumps until you can make ten laps around it within about two seconds of each other. You'll have to get someone to time you.

You need to get to the point where you don't have any fear of the bike before you start making things more difficult like putting in jumps. The whoop section will kind of just happen by itself if you keep accelerating through a section that isn't 100% flat. That's where the idea originated, from the ones that develop naturally.

If you have more than one dirt bike available to the 5 or 6 people that want to get into it, Have some races. It can be fun racing others that also don't know what they're doing. You'll learn some good skills trying to beat someone else.
 
revnort

revnort

Tasty Pants
SM610 said:
This is what "tabletop" jumps are for. You can land on top just a little further every time until you've cleared it.

Fill in the jump/landing gap.
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This. Not that I have ever completed a table top, but you can go faster and faster until you land farther ahead. The most dangerous portion seems to be when you're getting close to going all the way as you rebound more landing on the top and then dropping off the landing can cause you to crash if you aren't in full control of the bike after landing. So at some point you'll just have to go for it.

Form my very limited knowledge of jumps, you'll want to be on the throttle when going off the lip of the jump. If you chop the throttle at the top you will nose forward. Also the more you are accelerating the more you're front wheel will be above your back wheel. So that is something to get the feel of with smaller jumps first. As you will want to shift your weight forward in the air to actually land on the other side.

Even for a long table top you don't need nearly as much run up to the jump as you might think.
 
revnort

revnort

Tasty Pants
ScottRNelson said:
I would suggest leaving out the jumps until you can make ten laps around it within about two seconds of each other. You'll have to get someone to time you.

You need to get to the point where you don't have any fear of the bike before you start making things more difficult like putting in jumps. The whoop section will kind of just happen by itself if you keep accelerating through a section that isn't 100% flat. That's where the idea originated, from the ones that develop naturally.

If you have more than one dirt bike available to the 5 or 6 people that want to get into it, Have some races. It can be fun racing others that also don't know what they're doing. You'll learn some good skills trying to beat someone else.
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This also. Start with small jumps and get the feel. Then gradually build them larger. Just like street you aren't going to be a pro right out the gate. Just the basics of track riding (build some berms around the turns) will help you out and you'll know when to start trying jumps and such.
 
Kestrel

Kestrel

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t-wej

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I had the same problem years ago. So I followed a friend over a double by matching his speed and cleared it perfectly. Ever since then I had no problem figuring out the speeds needed for different jumps.
 
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th3_d0c

SupermotoUSA #603
Note: Be in 1 gear higher than you need when you start going faster.

Reasoning:
If you nose down, gas the throttle a little, and it will spin the rear tire, bringing the nose/front wheel up. DO NOT slam the gas, or you'll go too far. **This does not work well in first or when going slow.
If you your front wheel is too high, hit the rear break and it will bring the front down.

Don't forget to compress the front/rear suspension when you hit the jump. You should be pushing down on both the pegs and the handle bars with your weight.

You can't really judge speed without a picture. Hitting a jump that is 2ft high, but 8ft in length is very different than hitting a 6ft high and 8ft length jump. Just do it slowly until you are comfortable with speed. You'll be fine, where all the pads. My buddy endo'ed pretty hard and is alive, no broken bones, just a bruised ego.
 
explorin

explorin

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8 feet?

2nd gear, maybe half throttle and give it a little gas off the lip.i wouldnt land short, but dont worry about over shooting. Thats why you have suspension
 
Sharky

Sharky

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khan said:
So i just built a jump and a landing area, i havnt had the balls to jump it yet. Ive read a bit and searched up youtube but it just doesn't answer my question.

My question is how do i judge how fast i need to be for this particular jump. The distance between the jump and landing is about 7 or 8 feet but of course the jump angle is important too and i have no idea how i can tell you guys that.

but lets say you see a Table Top jump that you haven't ridden before or you go to a new MX track that you have ridden before and you see a few jumps, how do you know how fast to go to clear a certain jump. If you go slow you will land at the top of the landing area and crash, if you go too fast you'll completely miss it. how do you decide on what speed to be at is my question.

I'm riding a YZ250f

thanks guys!
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5gear pin it!
 
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