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flying_hun

Adverse Selection
AKA: Rantings of a Geezer, AKA: Hey You Kids, Get Off My Lawn!!!111 :afm199

The last few weeks I've been thinking about the early copies of CW I read when I first started riding motos, and one article in particular on touring Europe. I was wondering if I could find an online article index, and figure out from that how to get a reprint of the piece in question. The results of the search showed that (for a fee) you can get digital access to every issue of CW EVAR!! Hokey smokes, Bullwinkle!! :party

I found the article. It was from a few years later, and it was just as great as I remembered. In fact the whole issue was great, in part due to my being an old geezer with happy memories of the bikes featured. But the other part was that it was just plain good. I've attached the contents page from the issue in question. Note the breadth of coverage - street and dirt, tests and touring, racing coverage from around the globe, and industry coverage of the same span. O the masthead was an editor who'd raced the Isle of Man TT when it was a world championship event, and another who'd won AMA nationals. These editors could both ride and write.

This isn't a plea to go back to the good old days (bikes, gear, training, and more is all far better now than it was then), but it is a reminder of how far moto journalism has fallen (with notable exceptions). There is so much more to riding and motorcycles than the narrow stuff being promoted lately, which has far more to do with lifestyle accessories than it does with motorcycles, IMHO.

While enjoying my "good old days" reverie, it reminded me that the two new bikes coming out in 2019 that most float my boat are homages to bikes of the good old days, the new Triumph Scrambler 1200xe, and the Royal Enfield 650 Interceptor. Now I finally get those Harley guys. I never cared for Harleys, even as a kid, so I could never figure out the appeal. Now I'm looking at the two bikes mentioned above, and I'm like, "Oh, I get it."

It does cost to access to the archive, but it's rich and searchable, which is pretty damn cool. :party
 

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berth

Well-known member
This isn't a plea to go back to the good old days (bikes, gear, training, and more is all far better now than it was then), but it is a reminder of how far moto journalism has fallen (with notable exceptions). There is so much more to riding and motorcycles than the narrow stuff being promoted lately, which has far more to do with lifestyle accessories than it does with motorcycles, IMHO.
The magazines haven't fallen, simply they've shifted to the market.

The market says they didn't like printed moto magazines. At least not magazine that do gear and bikes and what not. It's not like the info isn't out there, it is. Mind, I don't read it. Outside of BARF, I don't read any moto websites. I search for stuff, and read whatever shows up in google.

But go there? "Thumb through the articles"? like I did in the past? Reading all sorts of stuff I didn't know I was interested in?

No.

Motorcyclist feels that a coffee table magazine, filled with lifestyle stories, will sell in print.

Honestly, save for Roadracing world, most of the bike magazines I see are more "lifestyle" oriented than not to some niche of the moto community. And even RRW is a lifestyle magazine -- the RR lifestyle.
 

flying_hun

Adverse Selection
We're in disagreement then. There is so much variety and richness that is lost in the new business model. When people search for only that which they already know they like, they deny themselves the opportunity for growth. One of the benefits of the old mags was the breadth of the motorcycle experience exposed one - me - to many things that one would not already know about, yet would greatly enrich one's engagement. If a person comes to motorcycling because of Ewan and Charley, or Easy Rider, or the Distinguished Gentlemen's Ride, or roadracing, or motocross, and only look for those things online which are about that area of interest, it diminishes the opportunities for joy un-imagined.
 

berth

Well-known member
We're in disagreement then. There is so much variety and richness that is lost in the new business model.
I completely agree, even if I don't specifically participate.

The detail is that clearly the market does not agree.

The print magazines didn't change because they wanted to.

BARF is my motorcycle magazine today. It's filled with tips, tricks, expert opinions, ride reports, bike reviews, etc. etc.

Do I get the lap times of the big 4's 600 supersports? No, but, honestly, not really missing that.
 

WWWobble

This way...That way...
Good discussion between Hun and Berth. I agree with you both. I miss the professional journalism of the magazines, and yes, there were sometimes topics included that I didn't care much about.

It got me thinking, the Net has changed my "lifestyle" a bit. Magazines gave me a reason to go to my mailbox and be HAPPY. I subscribed to Cycle, Cycle World, Cycle Guide, Motorcyclist, Rider, and Dirt Rider.

That gave me six chances to be HAPPY when the mail arrived. There was no online bill pay, but on magazine days I'd toss the bills on the desk, pour a cocktail, and spend a delightful evening with my friends -- the staff of whichever magazine I was reading.

Somehow I don't feel as much attachment to the Net M/C sites as I did with the magazines, especially Cycle.
 
Cool discussion.
I "just" stopped renewing my Motorcyclist and Cycle World magazine subscriptions.
I've been subscribed to these mag's for a few decades now.
Unfortunately, I wasn't getting the experience I remembered from the days of old.

The print magazines didn't change because they wanted to.

I believe it is because the publishing companies that bought the mags awhile ago have dictated changes to fall in line with their other magazine formats.
What works for Cosmopolitan just won't fly with Motorcyclist.

That, and the cost of print, driving the mags to acquisition to survive.
 

CDONA

Home of Vortex tuning
The biggest change in a magazine to me was the makeover on Mac Addict. New editor bragged about heavier paper, the feel of the gloss, the larger better rendition of graphics (ads). To hell with content on building cheap WiFi antennas, camera rigs, new software teasers.
We got a new version of Women's Day.
 
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