Canadian health care not sustainable

Ratters

Is it summer yet?
says report from Fraser Institute.

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uplo...arch/publications/canadas-medicare-bubble.pdf

“We conclude that Canada’s health system produces rates of growth in health spending that are not sustainable solely through redistributive public financing.”

"As of 2011, provincial health spending in Ontario and Quebec currently consumes more than 50% of total revenues. Projections show that in Saskatchewan, Alberta, British Columbia and New Brunswick government health spending is on pace to consume 50% of revenues by 2017."

This is from an institute similar to CATO, but the facts seem pretty legit.

Thoughts?

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kevin 714

Well-known member
health care at all levels, private, public, everywhere in between, is not sustainible.

jst read a studft that said 10% of all usa business' plan on dropping health insurance

health coverage at ALL Levels is too expensive to maintain. it IS going to crash


Oh and in before stupid socialists and obama ruined everything lol
 

mlm

Contrarian
Just saying the amount of money going into healthcare is more than what society is willing to spend. We live in a world with finite resources and have to make choices on how to use them.
 

kevin 714

Well-known member
Just saying the amount of money going into healthcare is more than what society is willing to spend. We live in a world with finite resources and have to make choices on how to use them.



This. We are going to need to realize, there isn't a magic bullet pill or surgery that fixes everything, at least that we can afford.

Two major things are going to need to change, how we view end of life care(and aging in general) and our utter lack of, as a society, interest in living healthily and working on things to prevent issues from coming up on the first place.
 

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alien
I wonder how much tobacco costs the health care system per year. Plus poor diet, environmental pollution.
Yeah letting people live to 90 is costing too much in medical expenses and social security costs.
 

kevin 714

Well-known member
I wonder how much tobacco costs the health care system per year. Plus poor diet, environmental pollution.
Yeah letting people live to 90 is costing too much in medical expenses and social security costs.

It's not "letting" people live to 90, it's keeping them alive until 90. It's the ones effectively kept alive well past when they should have gone? Many people with good genes and or good health in life, live high quality lives into their 80's. My grandfather was one, and died of lung cancer at 87. But he didn't want all those extra things, maybe 6 months here, 6 months there. Died about 8 months after diagnosis. Didn't fight it tooth and nail, at the expense of wuality of life and dignity, accepted it with grace when it was obvious this was it

We treat death as a disease, instead of the natural culmination of life, and we seem to accept a terrible quality of life, to maintain that life.
 
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alien
Thats what i meant. They get to the point they become like Blackhawk helicopters. For every hour of use they need hours of maintenance and care.
It may sound cruel but we will get to that point where pulling the plug early is considered.
 

BLU_G.6K

Well-known member
At least 10% are going to drop health care coverage for their employees because it will be cheaper for them to pay the fine and let their employees get coverage through an exchange. The employees will get most if not all of their premiums back from the government. Experts were warning of this back in 2009 and 2010 but the Democratic controlled congress forced it through anyway so that we can all "see what's in it."

health care at all levels, private, public, everywhere in between, is not sustainible.

jst read a studft that said 10% of all usa business' plan on dropping health insurance

health coverage at ALL Levels is too expensive to maintain. it IS going to crash


Oh and in before stupid socialists and obama ruined everything lol
 

Nitewaif

Nocturnal Street Urchin
The government did an awful lot to cause this, and they could take steps that could make a huge difference:

-increase reimbursement rates to encourage physicians to go back into primary care. Since the 1990s, paltry reimbursements drove physicians out of primary care and to higher-paying specialties. Medicare/medicaid killed the family doctor.

-modify EMTALA. Before, Emergency rooms could make referrals to low-cost clinics for patients who showed up for non-urgent reasons. I worked ER when EMTALA passed, and almost immediately, our ER was overrun with women coming in seeking routine pregnancy tests, people with acne wanting zit cream, and every kind of nonemergent bullshit. Now we HAVE to see these people, and they know it. The ER used to be for emergencies. Now it has replaced primary care, but at a much greater cost.

-Do something about illegal immigration! The cost of keeping someone alive indefinitely is astronomical, and once a hospital accepts a patient and stabilizes him, they are not allowed to discharge him until a suitable facility or arrangments are found for long-term care. These subacute longterm care patients then take up hospital beds indefinately and at a huge cost. I've seen families refuse to accept supplies of medical equipment at their homes after discharge has been arrange and refuse to take the patient because they know they will become financially responsible for the care of the patient. I worked at one unit that blew through it's entire yearly operating budget taking care of one vegatative-state illegal alien. Our doors were within weeks of closing when benefactors stepped forward. Futile care is expensive, and it's absurd to pay for futile care of people who haven't contributed. Acute care for anchor babies with no prenatal care also falls into this gategory.

-Hold people accountable for their own health. You may not be able to help that you have a disease, but you hold some responsibility for maintaining your health. I've seen this scenario over and over again...diabetic with emphysema and seizure disorder is found in a diabetic coma. We bring him in, put a breathing tube down, nurse him back to baseline at a huge cost. This process takes weeks because his lungs are shot from smoking. We finally get him patched up and discharge him, then he's brought back in the same condition less than a week later because he once again drank himself into a diabetic coma. I'm not sure how to solve this one, but it's a huge drain on the system and a significant part of the patient population.

We are all paying for these folks, and we can't afford it anymore. I don't mind paying more to cover someone who makes less, but we're paying for people who are abusing the system.

I'll off my soapbox now, 'cause I could go on and on about this. Nothing's going to change.
 

Ogier le Danois

Well-known member
This. We are going to need to realize, there isn't a magic bullet pill or surgery that fixes everything, at least that we can afford.

Two major things are going to need to change, how we view end of life care(and aging in general) and our utter lack of, as a society, interest in living healthily and working on things to prevent issues from coming up on the first place.

The only way to reduce costs is part one of the bolded, and the refusal/cessation of treating the very elderly at all. Preventative care does not necessarily save money in the long run because the person lives longer, uses more medical services and in the end costs more.



The source in the OPs post is the most conservtive think tank in Canada. Hardley and unbiased source. Think Heritage Foundation in the U.S.
 

Bronto

Well-known member
Heh I saw the above revelation come to one of the Talking heads on a major network. One second condoning health living mandated by the government aka New York style no soda drinks in large size. Bemoaning the health care costs of unhealthy life styles. Then the report of government costs more keeping healthy people living longer. Could see the wheels turn in their eyes. Wait.... we got to kill em kill em all :laughing
 

sandyxb

very tall
Life and health is pretty much the only thing one really has. If we start devaluing that because some bean counters rather spent the money on fleeting toys, then we ought to be selected out.
 

kevin 714

Well-known member
At least 10% are going to drop health care coverage for their employees because it will be cheaper for them to pay the fine and let their employees get coverage through an exchange. The employees will get most if not all of their premiums back from the government. Experts were warning of this back in 2009 and 2010 but the Democratic controlled congress forced it through anyway so that we can all "see what's in it."

yep, health care costs were cheap as fuck and insurance was great and covered everyone and had no issues at all, before obama came into office. its all his fault :laughing

didnt you notice my post, i was in before its obamas fault lol
 

Var

One Track Pony
The problem is the cost of healthcare. Why don't we try and solve that first instead of trying hand over fist to come up with a way to pay the health industry?
 
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