As promised, some clearwater shots.

kurth83

Well-known member
Here is my upgraded lightage...

The brightness knob is my new favorite gizmo, and I am getting it dialed in, walking around in front day and night to see what brightness levels are bright enough but not causing trouble to others.

Seems just over half brightness is really bright during the day without being painful. At night, minimum brightness is still pretty bright.

The pics are all at minimum brightness.
And the garage ones are before I finished adjusting the beams.

Its two Erica's and two Darlas (these are floods, using the motorcycle beam pattern as they call it), designed primarily for conspicuity. I got the amber lenses for the lower pair, making them look like fog lights. Notice how the larger diameter really contributes, the lower ones can generate a lot of light, but their small size doesn't contribute as much to adding presence (a sense of nearness) to the light pattern.

Now for the Tim Taylor pitch: at half brightness, they are producing a rough total of 8,000 lumens, compared to a typical headlight that produces 700. Now that's power! At full (home destroying power), it would be 16,000 lumens for this setup.

The entire thing was a package deal on their website, you pick the lights (one or two pair, of any lights they make), and it comes with the cables and mounting clamps and the bar mounted brightness controller, and an annoyingly high price tag.

I did solder out the switch though, made it always on, and rely solely on a switched ignition wire (this was the only wiretap needed). I am guessing I may regret that if I ever ride in heavy fog.

Except for needing that one tap, it was the easiest install for a major light project I have ever done. Total of maybe 6 hours, half of that sitting in the bedroom cabling everything up, and soldering out the switch, and preparing the wiretap.
 

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NoTraffic

Well-known member
Nice lights, if you were coming up behind me on the freeway I would def. move over on my motorcycle - don't want to get blinded in the mirrors. :afm199
 

Junkie

gone for now
Running lights that put out more than 10 times the light of a typical headlight will blind people to the point that they can't tell how far back you are.

On my way to the gym tonight I saw someone with a pair of yellow lights brighter than his headlights, and they were flashing. After he passed me, I saw that his turn signals were on, so apparently he had them wired as turn signals.

Two examples of great ambassadors for the motorcycle community :rolleyes
 

zammer

Tripler
See these kitted out GS1200s on the way to the local starbucks all the time, lit up like UFO's and pissing people off everywhere. It's way more dangerous in the end, you just blind people and they do stupid things (i.e. as you are splitting past them). Be a better ambassador for the community and pull that crap off.
 

ST Guy

Well-known member
Lighten up. He's using the dimmers.

Clearwater rocks. Big time.

FYI, your average H4 bulb puts out 1000 lumens on low beam and 1650 on high beam. And there's a hell of a lot more to lighting than Lumens, like patterns, light distribution, etc.

OP has done good.
 

Junkie

gone for now
Lighten up. He's using the dimmers.

Clearwater rocks. Big time.

FYI, your average H4 bulb puts out 1000 lumens on low beam and 1650 on high beam. And there's a hell of a lot more to lighting than Lumens, like patterns, light distribution, etc.

OP has done good.
Do these have a proper cutoff? I haven't seen that out of LED lights like these. They're typically a round pattern.
 

295566

Numbers McGee
OP, for the sanity and safety of everyone around you, please re-enable the turnoff switch. More than 10 times the brightness of a typical highbeam headlight, and no cutoff (light is scattering every which-way)? Yeah, at night your blinding and pissing everyone else off on the road.

I also hate people that put HID's in halogen housings. :x
 

Cabrito

cabrón
Am I the only one having flashbacks to Quadrophenia?

No, I am too..

All those bright ass lights are a distraction to riders and drivers ahead of you. There is a guy with a similar setup that rides 280 between 380 and the city.. I just move over and let him by.
 

moto-rama

Well-known member
No, I am too..

All those bright ass lights are a distraction to riders and drivers ahead of you. There is a guy with a similar setup that rides 280 between 380 and the city.. I just move over and let him by.

Seen that one, I think, came up on me in heavy fog and couldn't figure out what it was till it went past me.
 

ST Guy

Well-known member
Do these have a proper cutoff? I haven't seen that out of LED lights like these. They're typically a round pattern.

They do have some pattern to them, but they're not headlights. They're driving lights. And as such, there are laws and regulations on their use. Properly aimed and properly used, they're perfectly legal.

If I remember correctly, driving lights are to be used only with your low beams. When you switch to high beams, I believe the driving lights are supposed to be switched off. Mine aren't wired up that way but I also don't use them around town. Only out on the open road. With the dimmer option, I'd likely use them around town but dimmed way down. In that way they'd be used for conspicuity and not to really see with.
 

HeatXfer

Not Erudite, just er
CVC Excerpts:

CVC 24402.

(a) Any motor vehicle may be equipped with not to exceed two auxiliary driving lamps mounted on the front at a height of not less than 16 inches nor more than 42 inches. Driving lamps are lamps designed for supplementing the upper beam from headlamps and may not be lighted with the lower beam.

(b) Any motor vehicle may be equipped with not to exceed two auxiliary passing lamps mounted on the front at a height of not less than 24 inches nor more than 42 inches. Passing lamps are lamps designed for supplementing the lower beam from headlamps and may also be lighted with the upper beam.

(Enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3.)


CVC 24403.

(a) A motor vehicle may be equipped with not more than two foglamps that may be used with, but may not be used in substitution of, headlamps.

(b) On a motor vehicle other than a motorcycle, the foglamps authorized under this section shall be mounted on the front at a height of not less than 12 inches nor more than 30 inches and aimed so that when the vehicle is not loaded none of the high-intensity portion of the light to the left of the center of the vehicle projects higher than a level of four inches below the level of the center of the lamp from which it comes, for a distance of 25 feet in front of the vehicle.

(c) On a motorcycle, the foglamps authorized under this section shall be mounted on the front at a height of not less than 12 inches nor more than 40 inches and aimed so that when the vehicle is not loaded none of the high-intensity portion of the light to the left of the center of the vehicle projects higher than a level of four inches below the level of the center of the lamp from which it comes, for a distance of 25 feet in front of the vehicle.

(Amended by Stats. 2003, Ch. 451, Sec. 20. Effective January 1, 2004.)


CVC 24404.

(a) A motor vehicle may be equipped with not to exceed two white spotlamps, which shall not be used in substitution of headlamps.

(b) No spotlamp shall be equipped with any lamp source exceeding 32 standard candlepower or 30 watts nor project any glaring light into the eyes of an approaching driver.

(c) Every spotlamp shall be so directed when in use: That no portion of the main substantially parallel beam of light will strike the roadway to the left of the prolongation of the left side line of the vehicle.

That the top of the beam will not strike the roadway at a distance in excess of 300 feet from the vehicle.

(d) This section does not apply to spotlamps on authorized emergency vehicles.

(e) No spotlamp when in use shall be directed so as to illuminate any other moving vehicle.

(Amended by Stats. 1967, Ch. 544.)
 

kurth83

Well-known member
Ok, thanks for the CVC stuff, it was a bit of a bummer to read at first.

But I went out and adjusted everything to achieve as close to compliance as I could achieve.

If I claim two spot lights, and two fog lights, then maybe I am ok.

It was the beam angles and the brightness regs that I double checked.

I made sure the beams angles are adjusted downwards, check.

And at minimum brightness, against a white all, the Clearwaters are much dimmer than the main light on low, check (for the candlepower requirement).

To the eye however, once all are adjusted, and to eye height above the cutoffs, the brightness of the big lights are similar (each) to the main light on low beam, and the little ones are less (about half) - this is all measured above the cutoff. So I think that gets me into the letter and the intent of the law, or at least pretty close.

So we'll see how it goes, and if I get a fixit I can remove the lower pair of lights.

I firmly believe that larger diameter lights at lower brightness are the way to go, smaller lights at higher brightness are less effective and more blinding. That's why I bought the large diameter Erica's, and even with them dimmed all the way, they help a lot.

And if I ever do off-road (not likely), I have the gazillion watt burn with the twist of a knob.

On the ride home, I am still getting many more people noticing me (measured by how many move out of the way) than my previous setup. So hopefully this is happiness for all.

So thanks again for the CVC stuff, always appreciate reminders to be a good citizen.
 

JimE

Rider
I have a set of Krista on two bikes. One bike I added some Darle to the forks. One for six years and 18k miles and the other for 4 years and 16k miles. I have them pointed straight ahead and they stay on dim, keyed to the ignition, all the time. I've never been pulled over for them. I have gotten a ticket in this time period.

I really don't think your going to have a problem.
 

antidote

Well-known member
Ok, thanks for the CVC stuff, it was a bit of a bummer to read at first.

But I went out and adjusted everything to achieve as close to compliance as I could achieve.

If I claim two spot lights, and two fog lights, then maybe I am ok.



.

If we are bringing CVC into it, wouldn't this answer it? (the headlight plus 2 spots plus 2 fogs is too many lights).:

24405.
(a) Not more than four lamps of the following types showing to the front of a vehicle may be lighted at any one time:

(1) Headlamps.

(2) Auxiliary driving or passing lamps.

(3) Fog lamps.

(4) Warning lamps.

(5) Spot lamps.

(6) Gaseous discharge lamps specified in Section 25258.

(b) For the purpose of this section each pair of a dual headlamp system shall be considered as one lamp.

(c) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any authorized emergency vehicle.

So hopefully this is happiness for all.
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I guess it gets the job done, but I can guarantee every car hates you.
 
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