Are you ready for the age of Omniviolence?

Eldritch

is insensitive
You know, I spend so much time studying human behavior, looking for trends, reading studies, trying to sift through all the bias, working to understand the drift and flow of of the collective unconscious, see the innovations that will affect it and predict the future of the species.

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/...he-world-isn-t-ready?utm_source=pocket-newtab

None of this is particularly surprising to me, and some of the leaps being suggested are still in doubt, but shiny and chrome, are you ready for the world of the omniviolence?
 

TylerW

Agitator
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DesiDucati

Well-known member
The horror this article is describing is right out of Black Mirror. I recall an episode where hundreds of drones with mini explosives fly into a university killing all the students.
 

littlebeast

get it while it's easy
this is a subject that has and continues to evolve (like everything does), but in a prior life this is what we did (no-idea-is-too-crazy anticipation and equally crazy countermeasures). there have always been sharks in the water. but it’s gotten down to an all out battle of the geeks. and there are plenty of those to go around on all sides lol.
 

berth

Well-known member
Sorry, but the mini suicide drone bots don't have the processing power or bandwidth to do this. I'm not even going to say "not yet". This is a much more difficult environment to work with than folks may think.

The connected society certainly has some challenges, but autonomous "slaughter bots" with little more than a photo hunting dissidents aren't one of them.

I imagine right now the Secret Service has techniques, equipment, and plans to deal with the potential of drone attacks on people under their watch.

It would be straightforward, for example, to equip, essentially, "hand grenades" to a fleet a "dumb" drones that act simply like guided missiles, and act as a "time on target" strike. No face rec or anything like that, sending a dozen small explosives to an outdoor podium.

However, this is a spectacularly sophisticated attack. It's very expensive. And "hand grenades" (i.e. explosives with metal fragments enough to damage) are heavy. Drones don't do "heavy" very well. You would need larger drones.

When we hear about "drone attacks" on things like the Saudi facilities, these are not the drones we're talking about.

Finally, this is not a "push button" attack. It's electronic based, sure, but the equipment has to be purchased, tested, staged, and eventually triggered.

Then, after all of that, it has to penetrate the target area. Again, I have completely confidence the Secret Service have gamed this out. It's readily defeated by holding events indoors. It can be readily detected by watchers at the edges of the event. One quick radio call can clear the stage. Chaos and and bedlam, to be sure, but likely little more than that. And that assumes they do not have some other potential countermeasure to deal with drone attacks (shotgun anyone?).

At this point, you don't even need an explosive -- simply have a drone make a high speed run for the podium.

Finally, there's no reason for The State to utilize these techniques. The State has boots on the ground. No reason to send in the drones when you can send in an entry team with a warrant.

Overseas, this is already happening, on a larger scale, with larger drones, Hellfire missiles, video surveillance, and chains of command. Don't need autonomous bots for that.

Firearms have democratized violence for centuries. We're still here, and thriving.
 

TylerW

Agitator
I'll ask again: why though? Why do violence on this scale? We have the technology to do it, but it is very expensive.

Violence as a means of subjugation is exceptionally basic. It speaks to out base fears, yes, but also invites open retaliation. Wars are messy and invite sympathizers.

If you can subjugate people without violence isn't that better? Especially if you can convince people to consent to their own subjugation.
 

tuxumino

purrfect
How can societies counterattack omniviolence? One strategy could be a superintelligent machine—essentially, an extremely powerful algorithm—that’s specifically designed to govern fairly. We could then put the algorithm in political charge and, insofar as it governs as something like a “Philosopher King,” not worry constantly about the data collected being misused or abused. Of course, this is a fantastical proposal. Even the real-world use of AI in the justice system is fraught with problems. But at this point, do we have a better idea for preventing the collapse of the state system under the weight of widespread technological empowerment?

and they program the super AI that will protect all humanity with SailorMoon's personality. So the words that the bad people trying to commit violence will fear the most....


youtu.be/n7EKM86QaTA
 

Eldritch

is insensitive
Sorry, but the mini suicide drone bots don't have the processing power or bandwidth to do this. I'm not even going to say "not yet". This is a much more difficult environment to work with than folks may think.

The connected society certainly has some challenges, but autonomous "slaughter bots" with little more than a photo hunting dissidents aren't one of them.

I imagine right now the Secret Service has techniques, equipment, and plans to deal with the potential of drone attacks on people under their watch.

It would be straightforward, for example, to equip, essentially, "hand grenades" to a fleet a "dumb" drones that act simply like guided missiles, and act as a "time on target" strike. No face rec or anything like that, sending a dozen small explosives to an outdoor podium.

However, this is a spectacularly sophisticated attack. It's very expensive. And "hand grenades" (i.e. explosives with metal fragments enough to damage) are heavy. Drones don't do "heavy" very well. You would need larger drones.

When we hear about "drone attacks" on things like the Saudi facilities, these are not the drones we're talking about.

Finally, this is not a "push button" attack. It's electronic based, sure, but the equipment has to be purchased, tested, staged, and eventually triggered.

Then, after all of that, it has to penetrate the target area. Again, I have completely confidence the Secret Service have gamed this out. It's readily defeated by holding events indoors. It can be readily detected by watchers at the edges of the event. One quick radio call can clear the stage. Chaos and and bedlam, to be sure, but likely little more than that. And that assumes they do not have some other potential countermeasure to deal with drone attacks (shotgun anyone?).

At this point, you don't even need an explosive -- simply have a drone make a high speed run for the podium.

Finally, there's no reason for The State to utilize these techniques. The State has boots on the ground. No reason to send in the drones when you can send in an entry team with a warrant.

Overseas, this is already happening, on a larger scale, with larger drones, Hellfire missiles, video surveillance, and chains of command. Don't need autonomous bots for that.

Firearms have democratized violence for centuries. We're still here, and thriving.

Well, I mean, DARPA has been spending a ton for some time on trying to develop advanced AI systems that can control drone swarms through remote computing.

https://www.darpa.mil/program/offensive-swarm-enabled-tactics

More importantly, I think the eventual end game they mention of the semi truck full of a swarm of face searching killbots is more limited by battery tech than anything else right now, but it is something we are working towards. Not only on ground but for Air and Naval forces as well.

More to the point of concern though is the availability of this developing tech to Terrorists and similar antisocial actors. The experimentation has been done with weaponizing over the counter drone systems have been pretty darn successful although manually targeting firearms with one of those things is nearly impossible while in motion and only newer and more advanced auto stabilization systems make multiple shots possible.

Putting explosive charges on small, fast drones makes a very convenient tool to deliver a very bad day to someone. I have a hard time envisioning a world where this is not a tool that influences society.

I'll ask again: why though? Why do violence on this scale? We have the technology to do it, but it is very expensive.

Violence as a means of subjugation is exceptionally basic. It speaks to out base fears, yes, but also invites open retaliation. Wars are messy and invite sympathizers.

If you can subjugate people without violence isn't that better? Especially if you can convince people to consent to their own subjugation.

All laws are violence. :dunno

and they program the super AI that will protect all humanity with SailorMoon's personality. So the words that the bad people trying to commit violence will fear the most....


youtu.be/n7EKM86QaTA

So the conclusion this article makes is a broad jump, but one must wonder if this technological threat is possible to be the one that initiates Judgement Day, right? Is that how Skynet gets built?
 
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