AITA-Did I handle this job situation the best way?

TheRobSJ

Großer Mechaniker
I know there's a whole section of Reddit called "am I the asshole" where people post their dilemma (usually some boyfriend/girlfriend thing), how they handled it, and are sometimes surprised because the consensus is that they were the one in the wrong.

I don't do Reddit. I've got a fair amount of free time on my hands, but not that much time that I'm gonna waste it all there. So I shall put this up for the BARF KS collective to decide if there was a way I could've handled the past several weeks with my employer differently. This is a done deal and my decision is made and already in motion, but maybe someone has some hindsight for me, or maybe this was inevitable. OK get comfy, it'll be a bit long. There will be a TL;DR at the end. But hey, it's a long weekend. There's no sports to really watch, so kill a few minutes.


I have been at my current employer (a franchised car dealership) for over 10 years. I'm a supervisor or maybe mid level manager at best, whatever you want to call it...I wear many hats throughout a typical week and everyone in the store (not just in my own department) comes to me for answers. I have achieved many many accolades, certifications, and awards and am considered by the manufacturer to be in the top 1% of the top 1% for what I do. Because of my relationship with the factory, my store is given a bit more breathing room (like warranty goodwill) on some issues than they give to other stores. In the past four years, I have built a very loyal client base of our most expensive vehicle who come to me, and only me (some from hundreds of miles away) to work on their car. And that reputation I built has allowed my store to see more of these cars come through our shop than any of the other dealers in the entire country. It's definitely not a cheap vehicle, so of course it's far from cheap to work on it. My next (and final) one is going to be something along the lines of $25k in revenue for the store. And when the pandemic got going and business slowed way down, I actually volunteered to be furloughed first if that meant one of my guys could stay and keep earning. Over the years, I have been granted quite a bit of respect from everyone in our organization and many people outside of it. That has given me quite a bit autonomy and past managers and even the owner of the store gives me a pretty wide berth to do my job the way I see fit.

OK so that's me blowing my own horn for the situation at hand. I could've easy kept going saying that I almost never call in sick or am late, but let's move on to the reason that's all ending.

Right before the pandemic, the owner hired a new GM to run the place. We had been without one for about a year, so I think most of us welcomed this addition. He was coming from the manufacturer, which is great since he's have lots of connections with the factory that might buy us a favor or two here and there. Though, he has never actually run a car dealership before...so it was an interesting choice by the owner to hire him. His very first day, he doesn't come around and introduce himself (though we all knew already there was a new rooster in the henhouse). Instead, he acts like he's a random customer and tries to "mystery shop" my service writers, who were pretty certain he was the new boss but went along with it anyways. His second day...still hasn't introduced himself to anyone in my department, decides that my giant banner showing one of my national level awards that the factory sent to the dealer to hang up in the showroom, is "not relevant since it's from 2014" and takes it down. It's got my name on it 3 feet wide. Did he maybe think to look for who answers to that name and see if they'd like to have it? Nope. Just pitched it. (Fine. Factory sent me one as well anyways.) Yet there still remains to this day in the showroom, a local boy scouts something or other second place plaque for trap shooting, a manager who hasn't worked there in 3 years won in 2015. So in case the tone isn't obvious, this guy is off on the wrong foot with me right off the bat. And he doesn't even know it yet since he didn't seem it necessary to come introduce himself to all of his employees or even supervisors yet.

Right away, I get a bad feeling about this guy. So I start seeing what's out there just to keep an exit plan in my pocket. Many of us were. I went on an interview at another dealership and their GM knew who he was and hated him and immediately said that my GM doesn't know what he's doing. Says he's been calling everyday asking advice from him (20+years in his position) on how to do his job. Got so annoying that he just stopped taken his calls.

The weeks go on, and this guy's micro managerial style is not sitting well with anyone. On top of that, it's become blatantly obvious to all of us that he doesn't know what he's doing (which is that lack of prior dealership experience showing for sure). Then we have almost a nationwide screeching halt of work. Since I volunteered, I am the first to be told to stay home. A couple weeks later, I'm called to come in for a day or two to do a small project (which wound up being completely meaningless). Then I'm officially furloughed along with many others. The store runs on skeleton crew. Unfortunately, what slowed my store down also hurt many others in the car business. All my leads dried up. So I just stayed home and binged watched shows.

The Paycheck Protection Loan comes though, and we're all recalled back. Yay! Well, not yay for everyone. The GM had been butting heads a bit with my direct boss, the service manager (and the best service manager I've ever worked with in 25 years) since he got there. Also to some extent, the receptionist since she's very loyal to the service manager and also because she's pushed back a bit at some of the GM's micro managing requests a bit. So those two have their "positions eliminated" and are not brought back. Even though the PPL could've brought them back essentially for free anyways. Also three salesmen and a F&I manager decide not to return. The day we all come back, one of my junior technicians, works half a day and then gets a call that he was hired at another dealership and leaves immediately. Whoa. So many people gone now, that we have to "hire" the HR manager's daughter as the receptionist (wait I thought the position was eliminated?), who we see all of four hours a week, just because you have to bring back 75% I believe of your workforce to get the PPL. In the meantime, I had a bunch of my clients who were waiting for me to come back to work plus I was lining up new ones. All of which I coordinated through dozens of emails, texts, and so one while I was on unemployment. So I was busy for awhile and kept a nice steady stream of big tickets coming into the shop.

In the coming months, the GM would have some more managers who work directly with him up in the sales department grow tired of his condescending attitude, and quit on him. He fired another F&I manager. He hired a new sales manager, and fired him two months later. Most recently, he brought in a new GSM, because he finally admitted that he doesn't know what he's doing and needed to bring someone in to run the sales department. A lot of churn. He also had me take on another silly project where he wanted to restructure the pay plan for the technicians (who are all grossly underpaid as is, borderline illegal actually) which would take effect August 1. Since he has never run a dealership, he had no idea how to go about that other than to copy another store's plan and then have me modify it to suit our organization. I put in the effort and cooked up something very good based on plans I've seen at all the shops I've worked at in my career. August has come and gone...no changes have happened.

Now we get to the meat and potatoes here of the AITA. A few weeks ago, I was punched out for lunch, and well...eating my lunch as one tends to do at noon. A customer with one of those expensive cars just out of the blue rolls in (all of my clients set up appointments with me) and wants to just sell the dealership his car. He doesn't want it anymore. The GM sends a salesman to come find me and have me do a pre purchase inspection. I politely say I'm on lunch. Have the guy leave it for a couple hours and I'll get to it after lunch. He says well the GM wants you to come and look at it now. I get annoyed and tell him an inspection on a car like that isn't just kicking tires for five minutes in a parking lot. It requires a couple hours to really go through it, because if you miss something on that car, it could cost thousands. That, and I'm on lunch. I'm not on salary. I'm an hourly employee, so I punch a clock, and right now I'm punched out for lunch. So I guess he accepts that and goes back and tells the GM what I said. I guess the customer who was just so hot to sell his car like he was hawking a Rolex to a pawn shop, didn't want to wait and leaves with his car. After I come back from lunch, the GM calls me to his office and tells me that I spoke disrespectfully to the salesman. And for a car like that, I should have been "a team player" and just sacrificed and put off lunch till later to do the PPI right there on the spot.

A week after that. I get word through the grapevine that the fucking guy went to another dealership and tried to poach one of their master technicians to become the foreman at my dealership and replace me because he "doesn't like my attitude" is the exact quote. He got a hard no there because the pay was not enticing in the slightest bit. Almost within hours, I also hear from the district manager from the factory who I have a good relationship with that the GM asked him "if he knows anybody" to come work at our store.

Ho. Lee. Shit. Just like that, this guy is gonna fucking Pearl Harbor me. I'm glad that I'm more liked inside and outside our walls than he is, that people immediately tipped me off on his plans. So I immediately started scrambling. The job market is complete dogshit right now. I could easily get a job at an independent shop, but I absolutely really do like working at a new car dealership. You get to stay up on the latest tech, and for the most part, the cars you work on are super grimy rattle traps. Nothing local in my own brand was hiring. But I did find another high line brand that was hiring though I have absolutely no experience in it. Couple interviews later, and they offer me a position for $5/hr more than what I make now to be the supposedly highest paid technician in my dealership since I'm the most skilled.

There. We made it. If you read through my little sob story there, I thank you. Now. Am I the asshole because I wanted to finish my Togos sandwich? Or really did this guy do me a favor by forcing my hand to make a move I should've kept my foot on the gas for and did months ago? My past service manager (the new one got moved up from within who has almost been fired several times by each of his predecessors in the past several years for being overly aggressive and rude to customers and employees) told me that he's amazed at my patience for lasting this long.

If somehow anyone at my employer is reading this and knows who I am based on all that? I'm fucking Audi 5000 people. I'm almost positive this is not a case (at least I don't think so we'll see what the KS says) of it's not you, it's me. When a new boss comes on, and that many people leave? Pandemic or not, it's you. I'm sure my arrogant attitude is why you want to replace me, but good fucking luck doing that for what you want to pay. And even better luck finding someone who can do everything I can do, for any price really.


TL;DR? I go from being a big fish in a small pond and close a big chapter of my career with the brand I've been at for almost 15 years collectively. Then I'll just be a new goldfish dropped in another pond, where hopefully I can grow up big and strong again. And me talking this out is probably just some form of therapy or whatever.
 
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Tally Whacker

Not another Mike
I'd say you did the right thing. He was looking for an excuse to nock the other cocks off the walk, and your name was on the list. Your "refusal to be a team player" simply gave him the actionable opportunity.

As long as he's the GM, your life there would have gotten more and more miserable. I suspect that if the owner cans him, you'll get a call begging for you to come back.
 

wazzuFreddo

WuTang is 4 the children
NTAH - California law states clearly that hourly employees are required to have a half hour break every 5 hours. They are crazy serious about where I work. It would be, “Don’t talk work to Rob until he clocks in, he’s on break.”

Plus, as a manager myself I can pick out at leas half a dozen things the guy is doing wrong and he clearly doesn’t know how to do his job.
 

wazzuFreddo

WuTang is 4 the children
btw, I took me almost getting fired in a similar new manager comes in situation (hr wouldn’t let the manager fire me because there was no reason to) to quit and land where I am now, which has pretty much turned into a dream job.
 

KooLaid

Hippocritapotamus
Am I the asshole because I wanted to finish my Togos sandwich?
With my past career and current career conditioning, Yes.

Or really did this guy do me a favor by forcing my hand to make a move I should've kept my foot on the gas for and did months ago?
Yes, you got comfy and complacent there. Big fish yes, but the pond still belongs to someone else.

My past service manager (the new one got moved up from within who has almost been fired several times by each of his predecessors in the past several years.......
I know someone who immediately went from biotech engineer to CEO of a CEO headhunting firm. I also know someone who went from engineering to turning keys in a prison. And then unpersonally, the stripper turned millionaire rapper. Basically, you never know where life takes you until you get there.
 

byke

Well-known member
Whenever two people start a relationship kinda rubbing each other the wrong way, things can snowball really fast like this. He sounds like one of those managers that wants to make sure everyone knows they're easily replaceable, so he shit on your banner to show you, and everyone else, that's he's the boss and the rest of you are his disposable servants. When you have someone like that, it doesn't make you want to go out of your way for them, which I think the right thing would have normally been "give me a few minutes to finish up and I'll be right there" with your sammie, had you been working for someone you enjoyed working for. When you didn't conform to his wishes, you were then the nail that was sticking up. I've seen this before and it's easy to blame the new manager, but ultimately it's the owner's fault for choosing someone terrible and for being too out of touch to notice, or too douchey to care. Either way, your old home has turned to shit and the correct answer was to choose a new one as you have done.
 

SVJ

That Looks About Right
If it wasn't this situation, it would have been another that upset him that you won't accept his abuse.

Congrats on the change! Few things feel better than watching a shitty boss sink his ship as you sail away on a new one.
 

greenmonster

Well-known member
NTAH - California law states clearly that hourly employees are required to have a half hour break every 5 hours. They are crazy serious about where I work. It would be, “Don’t talk work to Rob until he clocks in, he’s on break.”

Plus, as a manager myself I can pick out at leas half a dozen things the guy is doing wrong and he clearly doesn’t know how to do his job.

There is a huge fine to the employer who doesn’t give that lunch break after 5 hours so you were within your rights there.
Maybe I missed it the story but are you the only one who can do these inspections? It seems crazy that only one person in the whole place can perform that duty.
I’ve been chased down in the lunch room before and learned to eat in my car and listen to sports talk radio.
It’s a fine line sometimes between holding your ground and being a team player.
 
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jdhu

Well-known member
Don't think you were the asshole, at all. During meal breaks, you are off the clock, not working, not to be disturbed, etc. That's not just company policy or your personal prerogative; it is the law, and employers get sued all the time for it. And, if it was going to be a few hours of work anyway, the customer would have had to wait or drop off the car regardless.
 

gnahc79

Fear me!
Sorry to hear about all of the stress w your now previous workplace.

I'd say you did the right thing. He was looking for an excuse to nock the other cocks off the walk, and your name was on the list. Your "refusal to be a team player" simply gave him the actionable opportunity.

As long as he's the GM, your life there would have gotten more and more miserable. I suspect that if the owner cans him, you'll get a call begging for you to come back.
+1 , seems that GM was going to can you sooner or later no matter what.

I'm surprised the owner is not alarmed by the massive loss of long time employees. Is the GM a relative of the owner or something? wtf
 

Blankpage

alien
You know what you got to do just follow through on it.

I wouldn’t mind splitting a Togo’s roastbeef with that stripper turned millionaire.
 

Johndicezx9

Rolls with it...
Geez, my experience in the car business was the GM's had almost as short a shelf life at a dealership as the meth heads that washed the cars.... :dunno
 

DReg350

Well-known member
So, I'm NOT siding with you on this because you're a BARFer I like. I'm siding with you because it was time... period. He made it clear even if he wasn't direct, and you made it clear by voting with your feet.

It doesn't matter who was right wrong, because that's kinda worthless. What does matter is that neither one of you respected the other, so it was over before it started.

10 years is a good run, but you're not who you were when you started or even 2 years ago. And, neither is the dealership. Things change. You saw it, couldn't live with it, and moved on. How does that make you dick? Don't look back and enjoy the new gig! If the call back to pick your brain and you decide to lend your brain... make sure you state your consulting fee up front. :thumbup
 

TheRobSJ

Großer Mechaniker
Maybe I missed it the story but are you the only one who can do these inspections? It seems crazy that only one person in the whole place can perform that duty.

It’s just one of many things there that only I know how to do. In this particular case, there’s only about half a dozen or so techs in the entire Bay Area network of dealerships who are certified on that particular car. Just as was pointed out that I got pretty comfy and complacent there, they got pretty comfy and complacent on relying on me to pretty much know how to do everything. I dunno, if I were my bosses over the years, I’d have been a little nervous putting all the eggs in one basket. When I leave, the dealership can no longer sell (the certified salesman went two months ago, but I am also certified to sell it too) or service the most profitable vehicle that wears the manufacturer’s badge on its hood. Oops.


Don't think you were the asshole, at all. During meal breaks, you are off the clock, not working, not to be disturbed, etc. That's not just company policy or your personal prerogative; it is the law, and employers get sued all the time for it. And, if it was going to be a few hours of work anyway, the customer would have had to wait or drop off the car regardless.

Like I said, I have a relationship with quite a few of the owners of these cars. If one of them was looking to sell their car, I would’ve known about it long before it rolled into our driveway. This particular guy, I’ve dealt with before, but I don’t know. All I know is that the handful of times he has brought his car in, he has been a complete PITA, and that his car was wrecked. I honestly did the sales department a favor by having this impatient clown go sell it to another dealer.

Speaking of broken laws. How’s this sound? So the labor law says that if you employ people you require to use their own tools, that you must pay them at least double the minimum wage. The formula would put all my guys at $30/hr. Care to guess how many people in the shop actually get it? Only two. The rest of them signed some kind of waiver (I’m not sure exactly what, this was something they didn’t include me on on in their process) that allowed them to get paid less. I am not exactly a fan of unions. But it’s bullshit like that are exactly the reason unions came to be in the first place.


I'm surprised the owner is not alarmed by the massive loss of long time employees. Is the GM a relative of the owner or something? wtf

At this point, I’m not sure either. That much churn, I’m just not sure how the GM is spinning the explanation to the owner.

Some of us believe that the owner’s endgame is to just sell the place and brought in a guy to facilitate the pump and dump. If you look at the new GM’s work history it makes some sense. While he’s never run a car dealership before, he ran a small chain of dental offices before it sold to a corporation.

I guess when I actually give notice, and I resign directly to the owner, his reaction to it will be very telling.
 

jdhu

Well-known member
Like I said, I have a relationship with quite a few of the owners of these cars. If one of them was looking to sell their car, I would’ve known about it long before it rolled into our driveway. This particular guy, I’ve dealt with before, but I don’t know. All I know is that the handful of times he has brought his car in, he has been a complete PITA, and that his car was wrecked. I honestly did the sales department a favor by having this impatient clown go sell it to another dealer.

Speaking of broken laws. How’s this sound? So the labor law says that if you employ people you require to use their own tools, that you must pay them at least double the minimum wage. The formula would put all my guys at $30/hr. Care to guess how many people in the shop actually get it? Only two. The rest of them signed some kind of waiver (I’m not sure exactly what, this was something they didn’t include me on on in their process) that allowed them to get paid less. I am not exactly a fan of unions. But it’s bullshit like that are exactly the reason unions came to be in the first place.

About meal period, things are fine until an employee complains, but if you hadn't yet had 30 minutes, that's an obvious violation. I was actually surprised they asked you to work while you were on meal break.

Hmm...you are talking about exempt (aka salaried) employees? The "bring your own tools" seems like a factor for determining contractor v. employee status.

Exempt employees must be paid at least 2x the hourly minimum wage, AND they must exercise discretion and independent judgment, and primarily (51%) be tasked with executive duties. If not, they are improperly classified as exempt.

Below chart pastes strangely, but the current hourly minimum for exempt employees is around $25 an hour. Employees CANNOT waive the right to this minimum salary.

Year Employers with 25 or Fewer Employees Employers with More Than 25 Employees
2015 $37,440 $37,440
2016 $41,600 $41,600
2017 $41,600 $43,680
2018 $43,680 $45,760
2019 $45,760 $49,920
2020 $49,920 $54,080
2021 $54,080 $58,240
2022 $58,240 $62,400
 

rodr

Well-known member
Sounds like things turned out the way they needed to. Big fish in little pond is seldom ideal. Good luck with the new job!

Plus, lunch is important. :thumbup
 
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Maddevill

KNGKAW
When I was a tech at a pretty successful Ducati, Triumph,KTM dealership, our general manager treated the mechanics like shit. He believed that a tech was easily replaceable. Sure, but most times you get a crappy guy. It takes time to establish a good reputation for service, but no time at all for that reputation to go right in the toilet. I eventually left the shop and I refused to recommend them to anyone.

Mad
 
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