Round 2 Clubman Mid Result?

[thedub]

I'm not sure where I officially finished in Saturday Race 4, Clubman Mid.

Here is why I am confused:

This is a picture of the results sheet that was hung up at the track:

This is a screen shot of the results on the website right now:

The reason for the discrepancy is that #186 crashed in turn 1 after taking the checkers in 1st place, and also did not start from his assigned grid position (he started between p1 and p2 instead of his p4). My understanding is that either of these things individually would result in a penalty at the discretion of the race director; which I thought explained the original results displayed at the track. But now the online results show #186 back in 1st. Also, #898 was given the 1st place trophy and #822 was given the 3rd place trophy. I know they don't hand out the trophies until the official results are determined.

So, which is actually the official result?


*I realize it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of life, it's not like anyone has to give back prize money, I'm just curious.

 

[christofu]

I seem to recall some of this since I was sitting next to Lisa at the time. I believe that #186 was erroneously marked as DNF at Timing & Scoring with the thought that he clearly crashed so therefore was not a finisher. It wasn't until later that officials agreed that since it happened after the checkered flag that he actually WAS a finisher and was reinstated to his original finishing position.

I don't know what happened wrt any protest for starting from the wrong position and I'll defer to the actual officials for that

 

[Bassem]

5.1.19 Deviating from the established course... Not being able to make the first turn after the checkered flag... :dunno

 

[ZXR400SP]

That was one giant endo in T1, right next to me.

 

[scotinexcile]

Totally should be marked as DNF if he did not make turn 1 or at least docked 1 lap :afm199

 

[frozenuts]

Does that rule take into consideration another rider interfering with the intent to make the turn? Just curious, I did not see the incident.

 

[scotinexcile]

Does that rule take into consideration another rider interfering with the intent to make the turn? Just curious, I did not see the incident.

Person over taking is responsible to make the pass and the turn :thumbup

 

[TWF]

Race should be over at checkered flag, not on the exit of turn 1. Otherwise finish line should be moved to the exit of turn 1

 

[Bassem]

Race should be over at checkered flag, not on the exit of turn 1. Otherwise finish line should be moved to the exit of turn 1

Then rewrite the rulebook. As it's written, if you don't make turn 1, you deviated from the course, so you should be penalized.

 

[TWF]

Then rewrite the rulebook.

No need, my does not say that

 

[KazMan]

I know it's a silly question, but what is the response you have gotten from Timing/Scoring or Race Director? :laughing

Sorry, I just don't want to have to re-write the rule book on barf. But recent history will show that other riders have been penalized for not making the 1st corner after the checkered flag and the podium was re-distributed in the system.

 

[frozenuts]

Did the crash happen in turn one? Before turn one? Past the apex of one? Did he slide, tumble or fly past turn one thus "completing" the turn?

 

[ZXR400SP]

I know it's a silly question, but what is the response you have gotten from Timing/Scoring or Race Director? :laughing

Sorry, I just don't want to have to re-write the rule book on barf. But recent history will show that other riders have been penalized for not making the 1st corner after the checkered flag and the podium was re-distributed in the system.

So what happened in the crash involving the flagger, those racers didn't make T1 but did cross the finish line?

 

[frozenuts]

So what happened in the crash involving the flagger, those racers didn't make T1 but did cross the finish line?

One of them in mid air about 8 feet away from his bike.

 

[thedub]

I know it's a silly question, but what is the response you have gotten from Timing/Scoring or Race Director? :laughing

I went inside and asked the ladies about it at the time, Chris was also there trying to figure it out as he mentioned above. They discussed it for a little while and weren't immediately sure, so I left. When they handed out the trophies I assumed the results posted were official. Then just the other day I noticed it was changed on the online results.

Then I made this thread to watch the resulting discussion. And that's pretty much as far as my concern goes.

 

[sckego]

Race should be over at checkered flag, not on the exit of turn 1. Otherwise finish line should be moved to the exit of turn 1

No, the finish line should be moved back towards the exit of the final turn such that in absolutely no case is it in the braking zone for T1. Otherwise, you have situations where the winner isn't necessarily the faster guy, but the guy who's willing to throw his bike away in T1, instead of braking properly for it...

 

[Corey]

No, the finish line should be moved back towards the exit of the final turn such that in absolutely no case is it in the braking zone for T1. Otherwise, you have situations where the winner isn't necessarily the faster guy, but the guy who's willing to throw his bike away in T1, instead of braking properly for it...

All that for a $30.00 Trophy?

I say have the finish line on one of the turns instead. :teeth

 

[TWF]

I don't think they are thinking what is cost of trophy when they drag race wheel to wheel to finish line.

 

[Holeshot]

The reason for the rule that the rider has to complete T1 came about when we went to the new (AMA) T1. Riders were cutting the inside of the curbing (old T1/ Nascar T1) and creating nightmare scenarios when they bisected the riders exiting T1 after the finish of the race. That is where that came from.

Certainly someone who doesn't make T1 is subject to that rule, however the worry was not people wadding into the dirt after the finish. The historical context makes all the difference in these arguments.

 

[trey]

I pitted next to Carl (186) and it was my first time meeting him. He and his dad were both awesome people. His dad told me (not witnessed by me) that he came into turn one at a normal race pace after taking the checkered and found there was a rider that had parked it in turn one on the cool down lap. I guess by the time he realized it, he had the choice to stuff the rider and risk collision, or run off the track and try to avoid the collision. Carl decided to run off and he ended up going down hard. Unfortunate things happen, and this was one of them. Carl is a stand up guy and is very passionate about racing. I messaged him last week and he is recovering from some serious injuries but is in good sprits. I'm looking forward to Carl getting back to the track. He was understandably questioning riding again.

As far as finish locations, I'm very new to this, but having the finish close to the exit of the last turn seems like the safe way to do it....not that great for fans watching though.