Reanimating a greybike RVF400 (NC35)

RVFRick

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That picture of the pipe wrench made me cringe a little. :(

I can't remember where I got my socket - but you'll need one to get an accurate torque amount. Pretty sure the nut is a 36mm not 35mm. You can borrow mine if you really need, but call around - some auto store should have one.

I know, right? All the force on the vertices made me worry about rounding. Yet the nut came out unscathed. Thanks for the loaner offer but I'll hit up my buddy who is heading to HF tomorrow for a massive tool binge in preparation of this weekend's festivities. Remember the 996 Turbo he got last month which prompted his NSR sale to me, well the car misfires badly. I've been tapped to help him install new plugs and coils. Wish us luck. What could possibly go wrong.:x

Got the wheels back today. The folks at Evolution are good peeps. They installed the two tires and new front wheel bearings for $80. Very reasonable if you ask me. Plus no tire disposal fee :thumbup

I looked online for the bearings to see if it was DIY worthy. $25 a set + shipping + time. Twas a no brainer decision to let Evolution do it.
 

Slow Goat

Fun Junkie
So put those wheels/tires and get that thing on the road!

Standing offer to accompany you on the first Twisty Ride.
 

RVFRick

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That picture of the pipe wrench made me cringe a little. :(

Pretty sure the nut is a 36mm not 35mm. You can borrow mine if you really need, but call around - some auto store should have one.

Posting corrected. 36mm not 35mm. :thumbup
Apparently I wasn't the first to use a pipe wrench (see photo showing impressions on nut). :cry

So put those wheels/tires and get that thing on the road!

Standing offer to accompany you on the first Twisty Ride.
:thumbup

Whammy approved! :thumbup Whats next?:teeth
  1. Encrusted tank cleaning
  2. Brake bleed
  3. Chain/sprocket replace
  4. DMV
  5. Insurance
 

fubar929

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Moving to the front I placed the Pitbull “pin” stand in place and lifted the front end up. Unfortunately the stand directly blocks access to the front axle. Now why would they design it to do that I’m not sure - seems like a mistake if you ask me.

Once you've lifted the front wheel off the ground, turn the handlebars so the axle isn't lined up with the legs of the stand? That's what I've always done on the occasional bike where there's interference between the axle and the stand legs.
 

RVFRick

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Once you've lifted the front wheel off the ground, turn the handlebars so the axle isn't lined up with the legs of the stand? That's what I've always done on the occasional bike where there's interference between the axle and the stand legs.

:wtf I be dummy.
 

Whammy

Veteran of Road Racing
Posting corrected. 36mm not 35mm. :thumbup
Apparently I wasn't the first to use a pipe wrench (see photo showing impressions on nut). :cry


:thumbup


  1. Encrusted tank cleaning
  2. Brake bleed
  3. Chain/sprocket replace
  4. DMV
  5. Insurance

Getting close! :thumbup:teeth:teeth
 

Sharky

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I know, right? All the force on the vertices made me worry about rounding. Yet the nut came out unscathed. Thanks for the loaner offer but I'll hit up my buddy who is heading to HF tomorrow for a massive tool binge in preparation of this weekend's festivities. Remember the 996 Turbo he got last month which prompted his NSR sale to me, well the car misfires badly. I've been tapped to help him install new plugs and coils. Wish us luck. What could possibly go wrong.:x

Got the wheels back today. The folks at Evolution are good peeps. They installed the two tires and new front wheel bearings for $80. Very reasonable if you ask me. Plus no tire disposal fee :thumbup

I looked online for the bearings to see if it was DIY worthy. $25 a set + shipping + time. Twas a no brainer decision to let Evolution do it.


Hopefully your buddy figured out the issue with his Porsche ahead of time before he starts wasting time/effort throwing parts at it.
 

RVFRick

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Hopefully your buddy figured out the issue with his Porsche ahead of time before he starts wasting time/effort throwing parts at it.
He's been :nerd about this for weeks so I trust his game plan. Internet says its a 1.5h job others 8. To that I say :rofl and :cry, respectively.
 
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RVFRick

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Not an RVF update but fun in that it parallels this thread's theme of tinkering and expanding one's wrenching skills.

Kelly's 996 Turbo spark plug and coil pack service took us 6 easy paced hours at his San Mateo home garage. I had fun working as a team. His car now pulls like a proper banana locomotive. It ripppps! In comparison, a 997 Tiptronic Turbo I once had a chance to exercise seemed tame and uninvolved. Manual tranny and aftermarket exhaust FTW. Apologies to Kelly for cooking the clutch a wee bit...it's been a few years since I've driven stick. :rolleyes

Part costs under $400. It was tedious, cramped, meticulous work but manageable. I am sore today from working on my back and rolling on the bare garage floor. :laughing

I can see how mechanics would be tempted to take short cuts (we found evidence of this). But we did it right and took our time. Tool wise, we made use of lots of ratchet extensions, wobblers and cursing. The coil pack clips and heat shields were by far the biggest time sucks. Having smaller hands would have sped things along. As with most things, now that we've done it the next time will go much faster.

In all it was a good learning experience and unique opportunity to work on and drive an "affordable" super car. Not bad for 4 wheels :laughing

BONUS: Anthony dropped in to loan me his Snap-On torque wrench in exchange for some MEK solvent and ABS plastic for a fairing repair job Saved me a trip to SF. RVF wheels are next.
 

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apf

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Put the pipe wrench away and buy this, a 3/8 to 1/2 adapter for the torque wrench and call it a day.

And yes, turn handle bars once front is lifted (don't lift the front with the rear still on the ground!)

Finally, loosen all the axle nuts while the bike is still on the ground and on the Baxley. When tightening, go hand-tight while bike is lifted, then put it back on the ground, in a chock and torque to spec.
 

RVFRick

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Session 53: Rear wheel install

Wrapping up at work my mind switched to the RVF. I had an hour to get to the cave to mount the wheels. Opps, I forgot to order a 36mm socket. If I ordered one now from McMaster it'd arrive by morning. $26.Looking on Amazon I saw sockets and even oil filter sockets that were 36mm. Hmmm. $8-12. Too bad it's be a 2 day delivery with Prime. I decided to see if I could find one nearby.

I popped over to the local Orchard Supply Hardware on the off chance they had the socket. I made my way back to the section of the store I rarely explore and found the socket selection very well organized and complete. All Craftsman. I think Sears bought OSH at some point.

Right in the lineup where it was supposed to be was a single 36mm socket. Pretty hefty chromed out chunk of steel. It was for a 1/2" wrench and Anthony's Snap-on torque wrench was a 3/8" so I started looking for an adapter and then saw a stack of long 1/2" torque wrenches on the shelf. I bought the wrench instead. Glad I did 'cause it came in handy for the 120Nm torque spec as the longer handle made it easier to apply the force.

Back to the cave, engaged 6th gear, wheel back on installed onto the 4 spiked pegs, shim, spacer, hand tightened the nut, set the new torque wrench to 120Nm, and slipped the socket onto the wrench and then onto the axle nut.

Normally, when tightening a lug nut I like to have the wrench handle parallel to the ground and use gravity to my advantage by putting it at the 3:00 position taking advantage of gravity by using my weight. But in this case 9:00 had more working space so I decided to try and lift instead.

Hoping the bike wouldn't raise off the ground when I pulled on the wrench, the nut turned to 11:00 position before stopping. I ratcheted back to the 9:00 position and repeated. The nut and bike stayed put but the wheel started to turn. Not enough resistance from the engine. So I held the tire with my left hand to stop rotation and lifted hard on the wench with my right until "click". Rear wheel mounting complete. :thumbup

Dinner time.
 

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ScottRNelson

Mr. Dual Sport Rider
Put bike in first gear to lock the wheel, not sixth.
Yes, when I have to bump start a big single or V-twin, it's easier to turn the engine over in higher gears. I usually need 3rd or 4th to keep from just sliding the tire when I let the clutch out. First gear definitely offers more resistance.
 

RVFRick

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Session 54: Front wheel stumble

Midweek I stopped by the cave after work to complete the addition of new rubber on the RVF.

I double checked the wheel arrow was pointed in the direction of rotation then fitted the lightly greased longer spacer against the right wheel bearing and the shorter spacer on the left. For the most part they styed put when I slid the wheel between the forks. Maybe 1/2" of clearance. I then inserted the greased axle thru the left fork, wheel and out the farside right fork. A few hits gentle taps with a dead blow mallet until the axle slid to a stop. :thumbup

Next, hand tightened axle nut followed by a torque wrench fitted with a 7/8" socket (I’m finding my Kirkland socket is limited to the smaller metric sizes). Click went the wrench. Click again to double check. Wheel check - rotates easily and no lateral movement. Done. :thumbup:thumbup

Next tightened the 4 fork clamping bolts to spec. Four clicks and a recheck. Done. So far so good. :thumbup:thumbup:thumbup

Brake calipers are last. I split the left caliper pads over the brake disc and wedged it into position. With tapped caliper holes aligned to the fork thru holes the I hand tightened the two M8x25 flanged bolts. Repeated with the right caliper. :thumbup:thumbup:thumbup:thumbup

Torque wrench dialed to 31Nm (24 ft-lbs) and 12mm socket onto the bolts, I tightened the left caliper's bolts. First 2 clicks and done. Double checking I tightened them again. A tiny bit of additional movement but both clicked mostly right away. Moved to the right side caliper and repeated. The wrench clicked fine on first bolt. The second bolt didn't feel as solid and seemed to turn further than expected but finally clicked. Hmm. Going back to the 1st bolt I torqued and got maybe an 1/8th turn before I got the confirming click. Not the expected immediate click. Moving to double check the 2nd it turned, and turned and turned maybe 1/2 a revolution before it clicked again. Uh oh, were the caliper threads puling out? The tactile feedback was not reassuring. :thumbdown

In denial, I checked again - getting a further half turn. Something was not right. I undid both bolts and inspected. No thread chips or metal was visible. I pulled the caliper off and saw intact internal threads. What gives? :thumbdown:thumbdown

Looking more closely at the bolts I saw that the threads looked malformed. Yup, the bolts were clearly yielding and necked down. I tried to jigsaw the two bolts' threads against each other and they wouldn't puzzle together. They were toast - tightened beyond their elastic limits and permanently stretched. The culprit could be a non-calibrated torque wrench or perhaps the a previous mechanic’s doing. If I get motivated I will verify the torque wrench with weights and a bench vise. :rolleyes

Lucky to have found this out in the garage than on the road. Would a hired mechanic have caught this or clicked and moved on? The other silver lining is fasteners are a much easier fix than Helicoils. :thumbup

Bat cave secured, I scurried over to OSH, rummaged thru the fastener bins and found potential replacements: M8 (8mm diameter across the threads), 1.25mm pitch (distance from thread crest-to-crest. BTW considered "coarse" for an M8), and 25mm in length. The simpler designation is "M8 x 25mm, coarse". These were clear zinc plated like the OEM ones.

The next descriptor is grade. Bolts come in different tensile strengths for different applications. JIS Japanese Industry Standard has Grade 10.9 JIS. $1.56 each. I learned there is a higher 12.9 grade but OSH only had 10.9 so I bought them. Anyone know if grade 10.9 proper? :|

Last but not least, as far as parts go turn signals arrived from 4 week trip from China. $8 shipped. :thumbup I consolidated a Tyga order with Anthony to a get a light weight front fairing stay. Mine is a bit buggered.
 

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RVFRick

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The OSH bolts worked fine. I torqued them then checked again. The wrench clicked immediately without any additional rotation of the bolts. Went back to the other left side caliper which tested okay one week ago and they also passed. Wheels done...tank is next.

Edit: Forgot to mention I found a handy online torque calculator to give an estimate if the grade 10.9 bolts could withstand the Haynes manual's specification of 31Nm.

https://www.fastenal.com/en/83/torque-calculator.

Selecting Metric > 8mm > coarse > grade 10.9 returns a result of 36.5Nm which is in nominal agreement with the Hayne's manual.
 
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RVFRick

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And yes, turn handle bars once front is lifted (don't lift the front with the rear still on the ground!)

Finally, loosen all the axle nuts while the bike is still on the ground and on the Baxley. When tightening, go hand-tight while bike is lifted, then put it back on the ground, in a chock and torque to spec.

APF's suggestions make more sense now. Too difficult to loosen wheel fasteners of NSR on stands.

I plan to add a breaker bar (PVC pipe good enough?), 6-point, 22mm, 1/2" driver socket and socket adapters to my tool set this weekend.
 

Maddevill

KNGKAW
APF's suggestions make more sense now. Too difficult to loosen wheel fasteners of NSR on stands.

I plan to add a breaker bar (PVC pipe good enough?), 6-point, 22mm, 1/2" driver socket and socket adapters to my tool set this weekend.

I've found that old school fork tubes make dandy breaker bar extenders for big, tight bolts. Just be careful you don't explode the breaker bar joint.

Mad
 
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