gunsmithing question?

GPzPop

Ask me about my B-1-D
Hi Militia,

It looks like I may need to fabricate my own replacement extractor for an obscure single shot bolt action 22 caliber c & r rifle (Pieper Bayard #3) that holds minimal collectors value.

extractor rotates on a pin in the bolt, pushed upon by a spring loaded plunger

question : are extractors typically heat treated / hardened ?
I am guessing no.

please advise
 

900ss

Well-known member
Hello Simon:

I am not a gunsmith, but for a .22, if made of a good modern steel, I wouldn't think so.

Would you be able to make a dimensioned drawing of the part? If it is a flat extractor I could have one wire-EDM cut for you, which might save you considerable time.

Ken

Hi Militia,

It looks like I may need to fabricate my own replacement extractor for an obscure single shot bolt action 22 caliber c & r rifle (Pieper Bayard #3) that holds minimal collectors value.

extractor rotates on a pin in the bolt, pushed upon by a spring loaded plunger

question : are extractors typically heat treated / hardened ?
I am guessing no.

please advise
 

GPzPop

Ask me about my B-1-D
Hello Simon:

I am not a gunsmith, but for a .22, if made of a good modern steel, I wouldn't think so.

Would you be able to make a dimensioned drawing of the part? If it is a flat extractor I could have one wire-EDM cut for you, which might save you considerable time.

Ken

I will totally take you up on this offer once I draw it

is there a file format your machine prefers (drawing will be in autocad)

thanks,

—S
 

900ss

Well-known member
I decked a piece of D2 to .08" today and have given EDM your .dxf. Do you want more than 3 pieces? A loop and repeat program can make as many as you want within reason.

Everything will be cut to your nominal dimensions and you may of course need to hand-fit the machine bits. Let me know if you want any dimensions cut over or undersize. I will let you know when we're done.

Of course, being tool steel these will rust if you so much as look at them.

I hope this helps get your piece working again!

Cheers

Ken
 

900ss

Well-known member
pics ?

my shop drawing :

Pics of the rabbits? No no no, that is our company's intellectual property.:teeth

I will check tomorrow on the progress; they were being hole popped today and will likely be wire cut tomorrow.

Re: your dimensions, 4 place decimals usually denote close tolerances are required. I told the EDM manager (who does handyman projects on the side BTW: many of his clientele are in Woodside) - THAT IS A SHOUTOUT FOR HIM - to not make a finish pass on the parts. I.E. the wire will cut the parts once with no second "cleanup" cut. I think you will be happy with the parts cut this way, but if you prefer a cleanup pass please let me know.

FYI we may do 2 to 3 cleanup passes on our high precision (and high $$$$ parts) for tolerances in the tenths or millionths range. I really don't think not doing a finish pass will detract from the function of your extractors, as they were probably hand fitted and finished in their original form.

Do you have any small "needle" or Swiss pattern files? If not, Grobet makes excellent files that can be bought from Western Tool, which has a store in Livermore. If you do not have any and don't want to buy them let me know and I will put my set in with the parts.

I mis-stated the material as being D2; it is actually O1.

It's feeling a bit like Christmas!

Ken
 

GPzPop

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I am really enjoying all the knowledge being dropped here after asking but a simple question

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I got reassembled and working another C & R 22 today,

a Stevens "Favorite" 1915 which is a lever action falling block single shot

I ebay'ed the replacement firing pin, which precipitated an internal disassembly to access the retaining pin, and a rust boil-out because it was apart already and needed it

new firing pin leaves good strong impression on snap cap test

Both of these rifles courtesy of my late FIL's arsenal
 

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900ss

Well-known member
I am really enjoying all the knowledge being dropped here after asking but a simple question

* * * * *

I got reassembled and working another C & R 22 today,

a Stevens "Favorite" 1915 which is a lever action falling block single shot

I ebay'ed the replacement firing pin, which precipitated an internal disassembly to access the retaining pin, and a rust boil-out because it was apart already and needed it

new firing pin leaves good strong impression on snap cap test

Both of these rifles courtesy of my late FIL's arsenal

Very cool indeed. Thank you for resurrecting these arms and giving them a new life!
 

auntiebling

megalomaniacal troglodyte
Staff member
stumbled on this thread and see some barf magic connection, so i'll share something else i stumbled upon via youtube

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCM86hA7E1y3vOJuzdqCXh1Q

this should be Mark Novak;s "anvil" channel. he is a gunsmith, all self taught as i understand. he is affiliated with another youtube channel called C+Arsenal that does info videos and fires old weapons. anyway they send Mark stuff to repair and he makes videos of those repairs. i am not a firearms enthusiast per se, but i find them interesting as machines, and i just love watching someone that knows what they're doing, do what they do. i've gleaned some info from his gunsmithing videos i've applied to my own woodworking tinkering projects.

the vidoes tend to be a little long, but watching on 1.5 speed usually you don't miss anything.

fascinating stuff.
 

berth

Well-known member
i am not a firearms enthusiast per se, but i find them interesting as machines, and i just love watching someone that knows what they're doing, do what they do.
You may be surprised to learn that many firearm enthusiasts are there because of the combination "machinery" aspect of them, along with the history and development of them. Far and away from the applications and uses of firearms.

Kind like train fans that just marvel at these monsters moving about, and the machinations of it all.
 

GPzPop

Ask me about my B-1-D
yes some of my favorite youtube channels and inspiration and appreciation for the C & R firearms world :

Anvil (Mark Novack, master gunsmith)

spun off of :

C & Rsenal - historical / political development of specific models, WW 1 focused (Othias and Mae)

Forgotten Weapons (Ian = Gun Jesus meme, mostly due to his looks)

InRangeTV (Karl and Ian and guests)

All of these channels interact with one another, and all of the presenters come off as more of historians, and less of hysterical pro-gun nutcases
 

900ss

Well-known member
You may be surprised to learn that many firearm enthusiasts are there because of the combination "machinery" aspect of them, along with the history and development of them. Far and away from the applications and uses of firearms.

Kind like train fans that just marvel at these monsters moving about, and the machinations of it all.

I fall into this category. Although I do love to shoot (no creatures, just paper), I have always been fascinated with the different mechanisms that have been created to achieve the same end.

The simplicity of a Glock with about 35 parts vs the complexity of something like CZ and HK hammer fired guns is fascinating to me.

If you haven't seen one, check out the original Remington 51, which has no threaded fasteners. An ex-coworker of mine gave me his some time ago to clean because he couldn't figure out how to take it down.

Back to making parts...
 
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