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Dubbington

Dubbington

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Aren't all or most CZs a da/sa; double action/single action? I don't like that and sold a Sig because of that.

If you haven't shot much, a DA/SA trigger can be odd. Having a long first pull of the trigger than a quick follow up shots can impact aim. Those that use CZ for competition get then or modify them for single action only like a 1911.

Checked their site and "3.0-4.0 lbs in SA and 7.5-8.5 lbs in DA" and those are from the custom shop.

For home defense I'd got a Glock 19/17 and be done. Boring yes but same trigger pull and feel every time. You can get them with decked out with an optic if you want.
 
TheRobSJ

TheRobSJ

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Dubbington said:
Aren't all or most CZs a da/sa; double action/single action? I don't like that and sold a Sig because of that.

If you haven't shot much, a DA/SA trigger can be odd. Having a long first pull of the trigger than a quick follow up shots can impact aim. Those that use CZ for competition get then or modify them for single action only like a 1911.

Checked their site and "3.0-4.0 lbs in SA and 7.5-8.5 lbs in DA" and those are from the custom shop.

For home defense I'd got a Glock 19/17 and be done. Boring yes but same trigger pull and feel every time. You can get them with decked out with an optic if you want.
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Not entirely sure if I’ll ever do any competitions, but probably not. Or the consistent pull thing would certainly steer me toward a striker fired gun.

I don’t plan on keeping in the safe with one in the chamber. So whether it’s striker or hammer fired, I’m gonna have to rack the slide anyways to be ready to shoot. Which of course sets up the first shot in SA on something like the CZ75 or the Sig 226.

If I was to be carrying, with one in the chamber, then absolutely I’d get a Glock or some other striker fired and call it good.
 
norcalkeith

norcalkeith

Hola
Dubbington said:
Aren't all or most CZs a da/sa; double action/single action? I don't like that and sold a Sig because of that.

If you haven't shot much, a DA/SA trigger can be odd. Having a long first pull of the trigger than a quick follow up shots can impact aim. Those that use CZ for competition get then or modify them for single action only like a 1911.

Checked their site and "3.0-4.0 lbs in SA and 7.5-8.5 lbs in DA" and those are from the custom shop.

For home defense I'd got a Glock 19/17 and be done. Boring yes but same trigger pull and feel every time. You can get them with decked out with an optic if you want.
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Hard to argue this. My first purchase was a 19, and it would indeed be the last pistol I'd get rid of.

Rob, you have to remember, much like cars - you get a lot more style point knowing how to use it and not just posing with it. Get a starter and practice, practice, practice - you'll appreciate the money you saved on a fancy gun going towards ammo anyway. Spend some time getting proficient and when you can make your holes bigger consistently, :shocker you should think about getting a safe queen.

Once you go from this:
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norcalkeith

norcalkeith

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TheRobSJ said:
I don’t plan on keeping in the safe with one in the chamber. So whether it’s striker or hammer fired, I’m gonna have to rack the slide anyways to be ready to shoot. Which of course sets up the first shot in SA on something like the CZ75 or the Sig 226.

If I was to be carrying, with one in the chamber, then absolutely I’d get a Glock or some other striker fired and call it good.
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Do you not wear your seatbelt, thinking you'll have time to put it on when you start to crash?

:2cents
 
Brown81

Brown81

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For the record,
CZ makes:
Striker guns (P-10 series)
Da/Sa guns (CZ75, Shadow and variations, P07&9)
SA only guns (CZ75 Sa, Tactical Sports, Chechmate)

Any of the metal hammers guns are easily converted to SA only with an SA trigger, or can just be carried Cocked and Locked like a 1911 without changing anything.
 
Dubbington

Dubbington

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Brown81 said:
For the record,
CZ makes:
Striker guns (P-10 series)
Da/Sa guns (CZ75, Shadow and variations, P07&9)
SA only guns (CZ75 Sa, Tactical Sports, Chechmate)

Any of the metal hammers guns are easily converted to SA only with an SA trigger, or can just be carried Cocked and Locked like a 1911 without changing anything.
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Home defense I'd go with striker fire and no manual safety UNLESS there's a lot of trigger time to get used to disengaging the safety or a da/sa trigger.

The CZ p-10 is not on the roster so that means finding it used locally and paying a premium.

I have a CZ tactical sport, great gun but big. Mainly for competition out of the box.

Single Action like 1911s are phenomenal with great weight balance BUT that means getting used to the thumb safety.

If you're going to keep a mag loaded and then rack it in the heat of the moment, a 1911 would be great but only 8rd or 10rds with a longer magazine in 45 or 10rds in 9mm. 9mm 1911s feel like cheating with shooting, recoil is a joke. I supposed a CZ or Sig would work being single action after racking it.

Despite being small I really like my s&w shield in 9mm. I got the non cali version so no mag disconnect or manual safety. Only 7-8rds though.
 
900ss

900ss

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Plus 1 on the CZ Tactical Sport. I haven't decided if I like this or my Springfield 1911 Loaded in 9mm best. Both are extremely easy to shoot well. The CZ is very heavy as Dubs stated.
 
Brown81

Brown81

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Personally, I don’t understand tha fascination with striker guns and “home defense”.

I don’t find a DA pull or a safety some kind of difficult or challenging thing to overcome, lol.

It’s what al semi autos were before striker guns even existed.

I owned all the above mentioned actions and have zero problems using any of them for any reason.
If the gun is going to be stored or kept with empty chamber, then it matter even less.
 
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TheRobSJ

TheRobSJ

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norcalkeith said:
Do you not wear your seatbelt, thinking you'll have time to put it on when you start to crash?

:2cents
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I get it. Like I said, if I were carrying (I lol every time I write that because even I know how impossible that permit is to get here), I’d want to have it ready to shoot with the least amount of movements required if I needed to quick draw. But unless an intruder is already gotten all the way upstairs and is already in the room while we sleep, I should have the time I need to spend half a second racking a slide. I imagine it’ll take a few seconds to get it out of the safe, so that’s the real speed bump here. No kids in the house, so I suppose I could just leave it on my nightstand at night.
 
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GreenDew

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TheRobSJ said:
What is the general consensus here? Do you guys keep all yours with one in the chamber?
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I personally don't keep one in the chamber for my home defense firearm. There are a few layers of defense an intruder needs to get through before my family is in physical danger. Like you said, the 2 seconds required to get the firearm and rack the slide will have been performed by me prior to needing to employ the firearm defensively.

Of course, self defense outside the house would be different, but for home defense that is my mindset.
 
norcalkeith

norcalkeith

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Threat Scenarios - highly recommended.

Defensive Scenarios

Our Defensive Scenarios class is ideal for those who plan on defending themselves or others, in a potentially lethal encounter. You will engage in four or more different real-world scenarios which will involve you either carrying or having access to a handgun or rifle. These are not simply a “shoot/no-shoot” exercises. Our dedicated roleplayers are not just living targets. They are characters, all of whom have different priorities and motivations. Some will run, some will fight, some will negotiate. All will react to you, including how you carry yourself and when and if you decide to draw and shoot. There are multiple paths to choose, and each choice will be discussed at length in a group setting with students and staff.
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Brown81

Brown81

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TheRobSJ said:
What is the general consensus here? Do you guys keep all yours with one in the chamber?
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I have two types of guns: self defense guns and competition guns.

The competition guns and magazines are NEVER loaded (until on range or at match), the magazines are not loaded ever at home, and the ammo is stored separate.
The self defense guns (3 Glocks) are ALWAYS loaded and, this is important, ALWAYS holstered. By loaded I mean “hot” with one in the chamber.

Loading, unloading, unholstering, holstering, and general finger-banging of guns is where negligent discharges occur. Playing with guns with loaded magazines laying around is dumb. I promise, in a moment of overconfidence and or distraction, one of those magazines is going to find its way into that gun.

So, if you have just one gun, get practice magazines and when dry firing or fucking with it, made damn sure you are careful and always be sober and respect the 4 safety rules. Put the loaded mags in another room while you dryfire and/or clean, and when you reload it, PUT IT in a holster. Loaded guns go in holsters.

Just my opinion.
 
Shaggy

Shaggy

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TheRobSJ said:
What is the general consensus here? Do you guys keep all yours with one in the chamber?
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All my pistols are kept loaded with one in the pipe. Combat long guns are kept with loaded magazine with a clear chamber. The couple bolt action rifles I have are kept empty.

What are you willing to spend on the gun?
 
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ejv

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All of them, no. The ones I may use in a pinch yes. Build a habit and stick with it. I used to always keep them with loaded mags and an empty chamber if the weapon was not on me and if it was on me then I would have one in the chamber. Circumstances changed so now even when not on me my ED stuff stays loaded but it's in a more secure safe than before too. In a stress situation it is not unheard of that people attempt to employ a weapon only to find it has an empty chamber.
 
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