Cycle Gear, Revzilla fined $2M
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KrustyKruser
El Chingon
Damn. What a shame. I enjoy revzilla and cycle gear. Willing to sell people what they want and not what they need, among other cool stuff.
sckego
doesn't like crashing
Fuck these companies for selling illegal parts which contribute to noise and air pollution (and also the people who use them). Glad they got caught. They got off super light according to the article, fines could have been up to $180m, and they only need to pay $2m. Hopefully that's enough to force change.
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bikewanker
Well-known member
It’s a tax to self fund a bureaucracy. Anyone that bought an exhaust accepted that it was not for street use/ public consumption. Perhaps some assumptions on the item descriptions but I’ve seen similar. Individual responsibility anyone? No money there. I suppose it’s good that some Southern California school gets fancy air filtration but I’m not a carb fan.
Honda is getting beat up by carb too.
Fortunately I won’t be breathing when they come for your motorcycle.
Honda is getting beat up by carb too.
Fortunately I won’t be breathing when they come for your motorcycle.
sckego
doesn't like crashing
Yup. I remember walking through a sequoia grove in King's Canyon with my family a while back. It was a beautiful summer day, and really busy, but still just a quiet nature walk among the spectacular grove. And then... a group of cruisers rolled through on the highway, and absolutely ripped the experience apart. Their exhausts thundered echoes through the silence, people were looking up with disgust, and you could feel the disdain for those assholes who thought that their right for loud-ass bikes was greater than hundreds of other people's right to enjoy some peace.
And so, because I don't want "them" to
I fully support restrictions on aftermarket exhausts that don't meet emissions requirements.come for your motorcycle.
DannoXYZ
Well-known member
While CARB's mission may be good, how they choose to implement is stupid!
It really should be about what finally comes out of your tailpipe and if it meets emissions levels, it should be legal. Who cares what kind of air-filters you use, or injectors or ECU or intake-pipes or exhaust? If in the end, you're below emissions limits, it should be allowable.
But CARB sticks their fingers into every step of way and makes certification process very difficult and expensive. Manufacturers ends up having to produce two sets of packaging and labeling for exact same part just to comply with CARB's regulations on having an EO # sticker on "CARB approved" parts.
Case in point is aftermarket catalytics for CA cars. Walker, Flowmaster, Magnaflow, etc. all make catalytics that perform well and have emissions well below Federal and CA levels. BUT, in order to get CARB EO# on their part, they have to submit it through rigorous CARB testing and certifications (part has already been tested and confirmed to pass Fed & CA standard). So same $75 49-state cat ends up costing $500 in CA just for the CARB EO# stamped on casing. Ridiculous!!!
It really should be about what finally comes out of your tailpipe and if it meets emissions levels, it should be legal. Who cares what kind of air-filters you use, or injectors or ECU or intake-pipes or exhaust? If in the end, you're below emissions limits, it should be allowable.
But CARB sticks their fingers into every step of way and makes certification process very difficult and expensive. Manufacturers ends up having to produce two sets of packaging and labeling for exact same part just to comply with CARB's regulations on having an EO # sticker on "CARB approved" parts.
Case in point is aftermarket catalytics for CA cars. Walker, Flowmaster, Magnaflow, etc. all make catalytics that perform well and have emissions well below Federal and CA levels. BUT, in order to get CARB EO# on their part, they have to submit it through rigorous CARB testing and certifications (part has already been tested and confirmed to pass Fed & CA standard). So same $75 49-state cat ends up costing $500 in CA just for the CARB EO# stamped on casing. Ridiculous!!!
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Kornholio
:wave
Growing up in southern California in the 80s, where we were regularly kept inside during recess due to smog levels and the fucking brown air, I'm never going to say that CARB wasn't necessary. I still feel like they are today because of the largely American sentiment of, "Fuck everyone else, I should be able to do what I want no matter what." As it was said earlier, you just don't see shit like this around the rest of the world where people aren't largely self-indulgent narcissistic assholes. Vanity is big deal in the U.S. and it shows in our vehicles/motorcycles.
HadesOmega
Well-known member
California the land of no fun. Smog nazis make it harder for tuners and companies.
My catalytic converter got stolen few months back on my Prius and we can't buy federal cats here because California has their own special CARB approved cats and no one but Toyota sells them apparently. So new cats are like $2000 you can get a Fed cat for like $200.
I like clean air but sometimes CARB is just rediculous.
I have a 1998 Mitusbishi Eclipse and it's a bitch trying to find a smog test station for older than 2000 cars now. Carb or BAR made some kind of update to the smog machines and it's costing the smog station like $20,000 to do it so a lot of shops just stopped smogging older vehicles because of this. This is their trick to get rid of 90's vehicles.
Pretty soon we'll just be driving electric cars...
Like generators too you have to buy a CARB compliant generator
My catalytic converter got stolen few months back on my Prius and we can't buy federal cats here because California has their own special CARB approved cats and no one but Toyota sells them apparently. So new cats are like $2000 you can get a Fed cat for like $200.
I like clean air but sometimes CARB is just rediculous.
I have a 1998 Mitusbishi Eclipse and it's a bitch trying to find a smog test station for older than 2000 cars now. Carb or BAR made some kind of update to the smog machines and it's costing the smog station like $20,000 to do it so a lot of shops just stopped smogging older vehicles because of this. This is their trick to get rid of 90's vehicles.
Pretty soon we'll just be driving electric cars...
Like generators too you have to buy a CARB compliant generator
HadesOmega
Well-known member
For my Prius I did they don't have aftermarket CARB certified cats for a Prius. The CARB certified cats are always more expensive also.
The thing that I hate about California smog program is ANY modification is considered tampering. Almost any anyway. The way I see it is if it blows clean out the tailpipe who cares? Imagine if they have smog checks for motorcycles how many bikes would fail visuals haha.
Kornholio
:wave
No, any modification that alters the NOx or CO2 output and thus isn't approved for use in the state for an on-road vehicle is considered tampering. There are plenty of things you can do to your vehicle without altering the smog control devices.
Just a cursory check showed me multiple Prius aftermarket CARB-approved converters. What year is your Prius? And no, they're not always expensive although that can be relative. An OEM version will cost you thousands whereas the aftermarket units are a typically a few hundred bucks. Expensive? Perhaps. But it's a hell of a lot cheaper than an OEM unit.
Just a cursory check showed me multiple Prius aftermarket CARB-approved converters. What year is your Prius? And no, they're not always expensive although that can be relative. An OEM version will cost you thousands whereas the aftermarket units are a typically a few hundred bucks. Expensive? Perhaps. But it's a hell of a lot cheaper than an OEM unit.
California the land of no fun. Smog nazis make it harder for tuners and companies.
My catalytic converter got stolen few months back on my Prius and we can't buy federal cats here because California has their own special CARB approved cats and no one but Toyota sells them apparently. So new cats are like $2000 you can get a Fed cat for like $200.
I like clean air but sometimes CARB is just rediculous.
I have a 1998 Mitusbishi Eclipse and it's a bitch trying to find a smog test station for older than 2000 cars now. Carb or BAR made some kind of update to the smog machines and it's costing the smog station like $20,000 to do it so a lot of shops just stopped smogging older vehicles because of this. This is their trick to get rid of 90's vehicles.
Pretty soon we'll just be driving electric cars...
Like generators too you have to buy a CARB compliant generator
Everything with an engine has to be CARB compliant nowadays. Chainsaws, lawn mowers, string trimmers, everything. CARB compliance is not cheap to obtain either. Meeting the specs isn't that hard these days, but it sure is spendy! Last I checked if a motorcycle manufacturer wants to get a cert, it's $20K per model, and CARB completes it when they feel like it. Same goes for air intakes on cars, that's why Injen, a CA company, barely has any CA legal intakes left on the market, they'll never recover that money. The whole cat converter thing is a scam as well. The difference between a federal and CARB approved cat? Money paid to CARB to get that EO number. That's it. Functionally identical. CARB, and Mary Nichols can f right the hell off.
With that rant aside, I'm 100% a-ok with loud exhausts dying off forever. Dedicated track bike? Sure, why not, but not on the street. the Euro compliant exhausts seem alright though, as they're barely louder than stock. Like sckego, I live in the hills, and it's a nightmare now. Even when they're miles away, I can still hear them buzzing/rumbling around. Haven't had a peaceful hike in years, or a relaxing weekend for that matter. Can't even enjoy a movie, have to wait until well after 9PM. I'd personally start writing checks to CHP officers to enforce sound ordinances on the weekends, and pop every last obnoxious bike and car.
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2strokeYardSale
Moab on my mind
Not fined, shaked down. CARB doesn't have any authority over a business in Philadelphia with warehouses there and Las Vegas.
I guess they must have stupidly sold non-compliant parts at a California brick and mortar Cycle Gear?
I guess they must have stupidly sold non-compliant parts at a California brick and mortar Cycle Gear?
