after you leave the bike...

squid vicious

nomnomnomnom
I crashed at thunder hill a couple of weeks ago setting up for T9. The actual cause of the crash is still speculation. This not about what i did or didn't do prior to crashing, this about what i recall immediately after being tossed off the highside.

It happened really fast...i was on the bike setting up for a turn, then i was over it looking down and flailing.

Then everything slowed down. I heard the bike hit the ground before i did. In my peripheral i could tell it was behind me, I remember being worried it would tumble over me. I hit the ground in a very controlled fashion, a few years of martial arts meant flying and landing were familiar feelings. I did a good job of spreading the impact against padded areas, however the difference between landing squarely on a mat and landing on pavement with an 80+ mph horizontal momentum would soon become relevant.

As i slid on my back and side, my feet ahead of me, the first thing i noticed was the heat. The coefficient of friction of leather against asphault is enormous. I had time to think, "jesus it's eaten through my leathers already..." and immediately abandoned the thought of what would be eaten next. I also had time to watch my tumbling bike head straight toward the back of Adam's bike. He was still braking, it wasn't.

Several crunches were to follow. The first would be my bike colliding with his. The next would be my boot catching under my sliding self. This sent me tumbling forward into a summer sault too fast to see or do anything about. The next crunch was my left hand/arm hitting the pavement with little more than centripital force controlling it's extension. I didnt hear any of the bones break, but i knew. The next was the crunch of my helmet hitting the ground face first. That was when i realized the severity of what was happening.

My next thoughts were someone elses words: First "tuck." I pulled my head, arms, and legs in as I had broken enough of them already. As the t-shirt reads: sky ground sky ground sky ground sky ground.....

Next came some words of wisdom I'd heard somewhere, "when you're done sliding, count to 5...because you're probably not done yet."

I got all the way to 15.

In the end, the worst of the damage was a broken arm, wrist, and hand due simply to impact. my leathers hadn't eaten through. In fact they won't even need repairs. The helmet is retired. No concussion, no neck injury, no rash, no blood. Adam was bruised and sore and a hell of a nice guy for not just kicking my ass right then and there. As i understand it he got his bike out for another session that day.

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squid vicious said:
Next came some words of wisdom I'd heard somewhere, "when you're done sliding, count to 5...because you're probably not done yet."

I got all the way to 15.


:applause

Best advice if you are in a crash :thumbup

Count to 5 and MAKE SURE everything has STOPPED moving before you get up!

I got bucked off the back of a quad (going to a fire) at about 20 MPH... I somehow manged to hit the ground running and was 1/10th of a second from a face plant. (I wish I had it on video- because the guys behind me said it looked like a cartoon!)
 
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wazzuFreddo

WuTang is 4 the children
When I crashed my bike a year or so ago, it was amazing how the whole thing went down in vivd detail.

From the inital sailing through the air and having time to think, "this is not good." To the sliding down Hwy 36 on my back and thinking, "glad I have good gear, this could be going a lot worse."

And squid vicious is right, make damn sure you are done sliding, and then wait some more.
 

PorradaVFR

The Temptations of Christ
I've seen that sky / ground / sky / ground movie...it ain't as fun as it looks. ;)

There is that moment of absolute silence when you stop tumbling and do the self-check. Toes. Legs. Hands. Whew.

I found it to be a weird mix of slow-motion and instantaneous - I remember the "oh shit this is gonna hurt" like it took minutes - but then before I knew it I was looking at the sky. Weird.
 

faz

Sexiest Ex-Mod around!™
To add to this great thread,

don't insist on getting up right away... you will be disoriented, and some parts/bones in your body may be damaged without you knowing it yet.. .in my case, I couldn't get up as I had a couple of cracked ribs and a broken collar bone... I was getting frustrated and trying too hard to get up, which probably didn't help the body much.
 

fubar929

Well-known member
faz said:
don't insist on getting up right away... you will be disoriented, and some parts/bones in your body may be damaged without you knowing it yet.. .in my case, I couldn't get up as I had a couple of cracked ribs and a broken collar bone... I was getting frustrated and trying too hard to get up, which probably didn't help the body much.

I think there's a bit of a fine line here... Obviously, if you're seriously injured you don't want to exacerbate those injuries by trying to move too quickly. At the same time, there are several other factors to consider:

1) If you're lying in the middle of the road or track, especially in a blind corner, your chances for survival increase dramatically if you move to a safer location as soon as possible. This also helps the riders or motorists behind you, because they won't have to take evasive action, which may result in additional mayhem.

2) If you're fine, don't stay on the ground just for the Hell of it. I've seen this happen at the track a couple of times: a guy is lying in the dirt cursing his crash while the corner workers are red-flagging the track and rolling the ambulance. If you go down hard and don't get up, the corner workers are going to assume that you're seriously injured and act accordingly.

So, do make sure that you've stopped sliding before trying to do anything. Once you've stopped, if you're able, proceed to a safe location (e.g. off the road). If you're at the track and relatively uninjured, the corner workers usually don't mind getting a 'thumbs up' or 'OK' to let them know that you're really alright.
 

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faz said:
To add to this great thread,

don't insist on getting up right away... you will be disoriented, and some parts/bones in your body may be damaged without you knowing it yet.. .in my case, I couldn't get up as I had a couple of cracked ribs and a broken collar bone... I was getting frustrated and trying too hard to get up, which probably didn't help the body much.

Like Fubar said - if you are in a hazardous situation- if you can move: do it.

Another thing to remember post crash: You are going to have about a gallon of adrenaline flowing thru your veins. You may not realize you have a fracture or other injury for that time period.

Head injuries also may lead you to irrational thoughts and actions. A month or so ago: There was an auto accident on 680, were a vehicle rolled over and the driver had hit his head. A construction crew witnessed it and went to help the guy who was in "survival mode". The injured party then ran onto the freeway and was taken out by an SUV at 70MPH.

If there is major damage to the helmet assume a head and/or a spinal injury- get professional medical attention QUICKLY.
 

ALANRIDER7

MeowMeowMeow
Don't make a bad situation worse- if you've crashed on the track and can move, do so in a way that doesn't get you run over by the riders coming up on you. Check to see if moving lessens the situation danger level. If you get up and move only to be hit by the next rider, you're in deep shit.
 
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rockerbox

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I'm just a lowely corner worker for Las Vegas Motor speedway and the track in Fontana, California speedway. I have never wanted to ride the track(I ride there) and I've crashed in heavy commuteing traffic before...

I'd suggest getting the hell out of the way ASAP... Regardless, of where your at..

Even more so at the track.. It's controlled mayhem out there.. 100+ mph.. there's no time to react..

Folks in heavy traffic are traveling at realitivly slower speeds than on the track too...

Wait.. I have an idea.. Secure the happiness.. no more crashing for any of you!
 

faz

Sexiest Ex-Mod around!™
I guess I should have made it clear that I wasn't talking about when you are lying in the middle of the road and can be run over with the next pick up truck coming around the corner... that then you shouldn't take your time and should get the hell out of the way! :)


Thanks for clarifying. :thumbup
 

07chuck

POOP!!!
rockerbox said:
I'm just a lowely corner worker for Las Vegas Motor speedway and the track in Fontana, California speedway. I have never wanted to ride the track(I ride there) and I've crashed in heavy commuteing traffic before...

I'd suggest getting the hell out of the way ASAP... Regardless, of where your at..

Even more so at the track.. It's controlled mayhem out there.. 100+ mph.. there's no time to react..

Folks in heavy traffic are traveling at realitivly slower speeds than on the track too...

Wait.. I have an idea.. Secure the happiness.. no more crashing for any of you!
Mojo'd for working the track...

(CCS?)...
 

fubar929

Well-known member
}Dragon{ said:
Another thing to remember post crash: You are going to have about a gallon of adrenaline flowing thru your veins. You may not realize you have a fracture or other injury for that time period.

This reminds me of another thing: I can't count the number of times I've tweaked a wrist or an ankle trying to lever a crashed bike out of the dirt! Especially at the track, with the adrenaline surging, your instinct may be to get the bike back up as quickly as possible in the hopes that nobody will notice you've crashed. As if the huge clouds of dust and the dirt covering your leathers and fairings aren't going to give it away :teeth

Once you're up and safe, take a few minutes to regain your composure before what to do next...
 

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fubar929 said:
This reminds me of another thing: I can't count the number of times I've tweaked a wrist or an ankle trying to lever a crashed bike out of the dirt! Especially at the track, with the adrenaline surging, your instinct may be to get the bike back up as quickly as possible in the hopes that nobody will notice you've crashed. As if the huge clouds of dust and the dirt covering your leathers and fairings aren't going to give it away :teeth

Once you're up and safe, take a few minutes to regain your composure before what to do next...

+1

I can tell you from mountain biking- when you eat shit hard... if you keep going you almost don't "feel it" and once you stop you notice... oh shit- my shoulder's disclocated :|

If you bale on a trackday and have even the slightest injury call it a day.

If you race and you bale- unless it's AMA/SBK/WSB is it worth it to further injure yourself? Do ya wanna miss the next 3-5 races instead of missing 1 or 2?
 

Vne

slacker
Like martial arts I have taken some practiced habits from skydiving. Keep your feet and knees together and slightly bent. Do not extend your arms to attempt to stop the motion. Draw your head and your arms into your chest , fist together at the chin of your helmet. This is a good time to rip off a quick prayer, just don't extend your fingers Try and keep your feet pointed in the direction of travel and slide on your hips. If it gets hot change sides. In skydiving emergencys you have to already know what your going to do. This stuff only happens if you have thought it out before hand. You can never quess how its going to be , but you can be mentally prepared to react. I luckily have never taken a high side trip. Mine have all been low sides. three of them over 90 with no injuries. I look at that as luck more than any skill though.
 

com3

highside surprise!
squid vicious said:
:laughing

after figuring out i was basically ok, my next thought was "dude, i hope dito or joe were in the area for that"

no such luck

T9 is hard to shoot up top... i've shot up at the top of T9 for private trackdays...but it's pretty dicey. i'd never do it during an actual organized event... i'd get kicked out or killed. :laughing
 

SLOW10R

--cantstopdriftin--
}Dragon{ said:
Like Fubar said - if you are in a hazardous situation- if you can move: do it.

Another thing to remember post crash: You are going to have about a gallon of adrenaline flowing thru your veins. You may not realize you have a fracture or other injury for that time period.

Head injuries also may lead you to irrational thoughts and actions. A month or so ago: There was an auto accident on 680, were a vehicle rolled over and the driver had hit his head. A construction crew witnessed it and went to help the guy who was in "survival mode". The injured party then ran onto the freeway and was taken out by an SUV at 70MPH.

If there is major damage to the helmet assume a head and/or a spinal injury- get professional medical attention QUICKLY.


+1 on that post accident adrenaline. Didnt realize i tore the rotator cuff in my shoulder and broke a rib until a couple hours later, and man does the pain hit hard. Always seek attention whether you feel fine or not.
 
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