Corona Virus are you ready?

Dr_SLO

Dr_SLO

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Archimedes said:
You state a lot of opinions there without specifics about how any different response would have made a difference. There was no stopping the storm in NY/NJ, other than all those folks in nursing homes that needlessly died.
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If the protocols had been followed at the beginning of the outbreak those folks in nursing homes would have stood a better chance of survival.

Here is the National Biodefense Strategy that provides information about how the federal government should respond.

It was very clear what should have been done from the start of the outbreak; TETRIS. It worked for many countries that controlled their outbreaks successfully. Those countries that failed to respond in a timely manner paid the price, including the US. The US had the resources and information available to them at the beginning of the outbreak to be in a position to rapidly implement TETRIS when the first cases landed on their shores. But no. Through a litany of incompetency that opportunity was lost, time was wasted and the needles deaths followed.
 
bosco12

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Early this year there was enough concern about the virus that Science published a note about it:

Science 10 Jan 2020:
Vol. 367, Issue 6474, pp. 126-127
DOI: 10.1126/science.367.6474.126

In science news around the world, health authorities in China are investigating whether a novel virus jumped from animals to humans at a market in the central city of Wuhan, causing at least 59 unusual cases of pneumonia.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/367/6474/126

So clearly the scientists involved had sounded a warning by then.:deadhorse
 
Holeshot

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In a vacuum, sure. However there was lots and lots of confusion, lies, omissions, and China hiding as much as they could about Covid. Like H1N1, which the Fed .gov took limited action.
 
Robert R1

Robert R1

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Dr_SLO said:
If the protocols had been followed at the beginning of the outbreak those folks in nursing homes would have stood a better chance of survival.

Here is the National Biodefense Strategy that provides information about how the federal government should respond.

It was very clear what should have been done from the start of the outbreak; TETRIS. It worked for many countries that controlled their outbreaks successfully. Those countries that failed to respond in a timely manner paid the price, including the US. The US had the resources and information available to them at the beginning of the outbreak to be in a position to rapidly implement TETRIS when the first cases landed on their shores. But no. Through a litany of incompetency that opportunity was lost, time was wasted and the needles deaths followed.
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People aren't cognizant of the time you have to react. The UK is a great example of a small window of spread leading to months of catching up. They wanted to herd immunity here, gave that a run for no more than 2 weeks. Then realized this is a bad idea. However, that small window had already done the damage and the rest of the time was spent catching up from that initial mistake. Time is not your friend here.

For the US, the plans were there and well vetted. There's no cohesive strategy for execution. When the underlying basis for dealing with an outbreak isn't science but political fortunes, you're fucked.

The hyper partisan nature of the today's US landscape gives little hope. You're effectively relying on the virus to lose strength naturally and/or enough post infection treatments readily available to reduce the fatality rate. That's all you got.
 
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Snaggy

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I can understand why government failed. I don't even see how it could have succeeded, considering we really don't give a shit about each other. Good to know. We could have handled this with masks and distance, saved lives, our jobs in some cases.
 
Climber

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Snaggy said:
I can understand why government failed. I don't even see how it could have succeeded, considering we really don't give a shit about each other. Good to know. We could have handled this with masks and distance, saved lives, our jobs in some cases.
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At the very least, when a potential threat was apparent, the stockpiles of masks and PPE should have been checked and when found lacking should have triggered a response to ensure that they were filled.

That didn't happen.

Fail.
 
GAJ

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Snaggy said:
I can understand why government failed. I don't even see how it could have succeeded, considering we really don't give a shit about each other. Good to know. We could have handled this with masks and distance, saved lives, our jobs in some cases.
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A large percentage of the population that we are mostly unaware of are acting exactly as described here; from my friend who lives 2 weeks in Orlando (near his new grand child), and 2 weeks at his Miami home, back and forth, working from home.

Dade County where Miami is the population is a bit more like we are here, paying attention to distancing/masks etc.

Orange County, where downtown Orlando is located is like this.

From last night at this bar where I ate with him and his wife in March before it closed down due to the virus.

https://eatdt.com/



"We took out from Delaney’s last night, walked up there.

Packed.

Bar packed, tables full.

Servers and staff with masks, customers without.

Other than me, taking out."
 
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wazzuFreddo

wazzuFreddo

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Archimedes said:
Couldn’t disagree with you more on your blanket, overly simplified conclusions. The issue was not Fed Vs State, it was the fact that the virus spread before warning was given and there was a shortage of equipment. A Federally controlled response would not have prevented what went on in NY, NJ and Connecticut. To assume such is revisionist history. And 40 percent of our deaths have been in those three States alone.
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Honestly, what exactly is your medical background?
 
tzrider

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Archimedes said:
You state a lot of opinions there without specifics about how any different response would have made a difference. There was no stopping the storm in NY/NJ, other than all those folks in nursing homes that needlessly died.
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It wouldn't hurt if you'd heed your own criticism and show your sources too:


Archimedes said:
So again today, deaths were lower than the week prior and the seven day trailing average is lower than a week ago. Also, the CDC site shows the slope of the hospitalization curve flattening slightly, not getting steeper.
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Yakoo752

Yakoo752

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I am moving my environment to Tableau Public. Easy way to share

This is hospitalizations

This is per capita hospitalizations

This is as a % of total beds

Trended since April 1

The states I am calling out are those that were the worst (bottom of graph) or are trending the worst (top of graph). This will give you a comparative analysis of where we stand today based on what has happened, a scale of severity per se.

I'll be adding more LOD to them through out the day.

If someone wants to build me a web connector, I can set it up as live real time data, other wise I will update them weekly.
 
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Archimedes

Archimedes

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Dr_SLO said:
If the protocols had been followed at the beginning of the outbreak those folks in nursing homes would have stood a better chance of survival.

Here is the National Biodefense Strategy that provides information about how the federal government should respond.

It was very clear what should have been done from the start of the outbreak; TETRIS. It worked for many countries that controlled their outbreaks successfully. Those countries that failed to respond in a timely manner paid the price, including the US. The US had the resources and information available to them at the beginning of the outbreak to be in a position to rapidly implement TETRIS when the first cases landed on their shores. But no. Through a litany of incompetency that opportunity was lost, time was wasted and the needles deaths followed.
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So how do you explain Western Europe? Or what's going on in Latin/South America now? Did they all screw up too? Heck, even Canada isn't that much better than us in terms of death/million residents. The only G7 country that hasn't been hit hard is Japan. And data out of China and Russia is totally unreliable. So please tell me what global leading country, with high levels of global travelers, kicked Covid 19's ass so much better than the U.S.?

You keep pointing at documents. Please give us a tangible example of a large, global leading country that hasn't gotten it's ass kicked by Covid 19. Japan? You're Monday Morning Quarterbacking.
 
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DucatiHoney

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Archimedes said:
Couldn’t disagree with you more on your blanket, overly simplified conclusions. The issue was not Fed Vs State, it was the fact that the virus spread before warning was given and there was a shortage of equipment. A Federally controlled response would not have prevented what went on in NY, NJ and Connecticut. To assume such is revisionist history. And 40 percent of our deaths have been in those three States alone.
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So the DOCTOR is the one tossing out blanket, overly simplified statements?

The stuff in red is a problem. Dude, you can disagree with him all day long, but he deserves your respect. That's all we're asking for. Your actions in the Covid subforum are currently under review by the moderators.
 
Archimedes

Archimedes

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DucatiHoney said:
So the DOCTOR is the one tossing out blanket, overly simplified statements?

The stuff in red is a problem. Dude, you can disagree with him all day long, but he deserves your respect. That's all we're asking for. Your actions in the Covid subforum are currently under review by the moderators.
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Please, where was I disrespectful? This is a discussion forum and we are discussing an issue. I was not in any way disrespectful at all. Just because someone has a strong opinion, doesn't mean he/she is being disrespectful. Or is BARF a safe space?

Geez, group think much?
 
DucatiHoney

DucatiHoney

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Archimedes said:
Please, where was I disrespectful? This is a discussion forum and we are discussing an issue. I was not in any way disrespectful at all. Just because someone has a strong opinion, doesn't mean he/she is being disrespectful. Or is BARF a safe space?

Geez, group think much?
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I highlighted in in red up there, and I'll do so here too. Your reading comprehension is failing you. Slow down and READ what people are telling you.

You have more to say? Please PM me so that we can keep this thread focused. Thank you
 
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