S.B. 767, Giving away Carnegie, (kinda) Again - THE BILL WILL RISE!!!!
- Thread starter Butch
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Actually, I think they might. They might have to. It might just take months...
I got a snail mail response from Kalra; it did not address my questions.
I keep it in my pocket. Side pocket. A thorn.
Interesting stuff
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billAnalysisClient.xhtml
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billAnalysisClient.xhtml
From the AMA D36 website:
Please watch the highly informative 24 minute hearing at the link below.
LINK TO HEARING: https://www.senate.ca.gov/media-archive Scroll down to the September 11 hearing of the Senate Natural Resources and Water Committee and click on “Watch.”
OHV has a story to tell and you will get a clearer understanding of why it has taken three attempts and a skirting of the senate rules to move the bill. The bill will go to the governor and we will have a template for an opposition letter.
I am proud of how well OHV does against big odds in a legislature controlled by urban democrats. The senators, however, to be fair, were very conscientious and agreed with many of our concerns.
Don Amador
Government Affairs
AMA District 36 LAO
Email: Damador@cwo.com
Please watch the highly informative 24 minute hearing at the link below.
LINK TO HEARING: https://www.senate.ca.gov/media-archive Scroll down to the September 11 hearing of the Senate Natural Resources and Water Committee and click on “Watch.”
OHV has a story to tell and you will get a clearer understanding of why it has taken three attempts and a skirting of the senate rules to move the bill. The bill will go to the governor and we will have a template for an opposition letter.
I am proud of how well OHV does against big odds in a legislature controlled by urban democrats. The senators, however, to be fair, were very conscientious and agreed with many of our concerns.
Don Amador
Government Affairs
AMA District 36 LAO
Email: Damador@cwo.com
I just sent this to Don Amador:
I just watch the hearing from the link you provided on the D36 website. Thanks for that. I put it on BARF and SBR.
It really annoys me that these people want to entrust the biological integrity to some private enterprise rather than State Parks.
Can you tell me what happens next?
I just watch the hearing from the link you provided on the D36 website. Thanks for that. I put it on BARF and SBR.
It really annoys me that these people want to entrust the biological integrity to some private enterprise rather than State Parks.
Can you tell me what happens next?
Your post made me write out an email to the Newsom that my wife and kids can copy and paste.
Dear Governor Newsom,
I am very concerned that the State Legislators have approved the sale of some State Park land to a private entity. I urge you to VETO AB 1086. Why would you want to entrust the biological integrity to some private enterprise rather than State Parks?
They have proven to run the SVRA with utmost care for the local environment and this could set a precedent that could be a gateway for other motivated organizations behind the scene powers to attack the State Parks System.
In this case this park services the entire Bay Area and the proper expansion of the Park will be a wonderful asset to our citizens and their families that enjoy riding off road legally.
Please VETO this bill.
Respectfully submitted,
Here's another...
Please veto SB1086, as this bill promotes selling our public park land and entrusting the preservation of the biological integrity to some private enterprise rather than State Parks.
Our State Parks do a fantastic job with our public lands. Please allow them to continue to execute their mandate. The alternative promoted by this bill is intended to serve some wealthy special interests.
Please veto SB1086, as this bill promotes selling our public park land and entrusting the preservation of the biological integrity to some private enterprise rather than State Parks.
Our State Parks do a fantastic job with our public lands. Please allow them to continue to execute their mandate. The alternative promoted by this bill is intended to serve some wealthy special interests.
Celeste has been at it for a while.
This is an article from Jan 2008, lifted from SBR...
INTRO: This is a local newspaper to my area (Pleasanton).
Some self appointed anti-OHV person is on a mission and is trying to shut down Carnegie's expansion. Remember Carnegie currently is ~1500 acres and has bought 3000 additional acres for future development (should have been completed years ago- but stagnates..). Why did Carnegie do this? Have you been there lately- it's too crowded and dangerous!! This lady is on a mission and must be educated about the OHV's community support for such expansion. She quotes "The OHV community must learn to live within its means" huh!! She has all the arguments lined up. She is dangerous. This is a system knowledgeable individual who can single-handedly alter needed progress. How anti-democratic is it when 1 individual can succeed in this kind of mischief!!
Here's the "Cut & Paste":
Group Envisions Tesla Park, Not Carnegie Vehicle Playground
Although the state intends to create an off-highway vehicle (OHV) park with 3000 acres it bought next to Carnegie motorcycle park, Celeste Garamendi is working hard to change those plans.
Garamendi, a Tracy resident whose husband owns a ranch near the park on Tesla Road, has formed Friends of Tesla Park. The organization is getting the word out to public agencies and conservation groups that an OHV park would disrupt sensitive habitat.
It’s a problem the state hasn’t addressed adequately in the first two EIRs it conducted for the property, said Garamendi. The third EIR attempt is expected to begin early this year, she said.
The Carnegie motorcycle park already permits some OHV use. With the expanded popularity of the vehicles, the state bought the adjacent land.
Allowing vehicles there will contribute to erosion and water run-off problems into Corral Hollow Creek, posing a threat to fish there. It would also ruin habitat for various endangered plants and such species as the red-legged and yellow-legged frogs, she said.
The state should come up with a bigger vision for the land, one which help build a corridor linking Mount Diablo with Mount Hamilton with trails and endangered species habitat. Species could then travel from one area to another. The land is also well situated to provide a nature corridor from the Bay Area to the Central Valley, said Garamendi. The state is in a perfect position to accomplish such a major green achievement, because it already owns the land, said Garamendi.
Asked about the needs of OHV enthusiasts for recreation in a growing California population, Garamendi said that the OHV community needs to live within its means, just as she does as a hiker. The federal government regulates the number of permits it issues to Sierra hikers. The state park system requires reservations at many of its campgrounds. The system doesn’t expand to meet everyone’s needs, she said.
As part of the drive to enlist conservation groups behind the idea, Garamendi appeared at a Sierra Club Tri-Valley Group meeting in December. Chapter president Janis Turner said the group is interested in saving natural habitat. The group’s executive committee declared its desire to “protect the cultural and environmentally sensitive areas of Tesla.” A meeting with the general membership showed strong concern.
Garamendi took contact information from members, and will let them know what action they can take. “A lot of people are willing to take action,” said Turner. Sierra Club members are also concerned about the historical aspects of the site, including Native American use that Garamendi discussed. “The Ohlone and other (tribes) used the area seasonally.”
Garamendi said that since the state purchased the land with vehicle-related revenue, the state’s argument is that the money should go to the OHV park. Garamendi’s response is that only 7 percent of the money represents fees from sticker sales for OHVs. The remainder is gas tax money, which is not specifically related to OHVs. There are plenty of other needs that the gas tax revenue could finance, she said.
HISTORY ELEMENT CITED AS VALUABLE
There is also a historical legacy to protect at Tesla.
Livermore’s official historian, Gary Drummond, said that the long-abandoned coal mines and the sites of the workers’ houses there “represent an economy we don’t have any more, except in West Virginia. Tesla and Black Diamond Mines (in northern Contra Costa County) are all worked out.”
The Tesla coal field was discovered by surveyors in the 1850s, and first exploited by a man named O’Brien, who hired 30 miners in 1863. It was a time when small-scale operations could make a go of it in a relatively small coal field. The Tesla mines closed in 1907 because of financial moves by owner John Treadwell.
A brick-manufacturing plant nearby closed in 1906, a victim of the major earthquake then. Left behind were such small villages as Harrietville, Jimtown, and Frytown, all named after people associated with the mining families. Those three towns combined to form a population of 102 people.
There were other settlements, such as Chinatown and Darktown. After the towns shut down, some of the buildings were moved, or torn apart for scrap lumber. The company’s flagpole wound up being used after 1913 by St. Michael’s Catholic Church in Livermore, where it stood in front of the rectory.
DRIVE WILL CONTINUE
Garamendi plans to continue organizing people, so that they will be able to comment during the public review of the EIR period. After that process, the issue eventually goes to a commission, which will make the final determination concerning the EIR certification.
The first EIR was completed in 2002, but not certified, said Garamendi. The second attempt at an EIR was withdrawn. Garamendi said that the EIR was never completed because the mitigation was “completely inadequate.”
Bob Williamson, who has worked on the project for the state, was on vacation and unavailable for comment regarding Garamendi’s remarks and the the project itself.
This is an article from Jan 2008, lifted from SBR...
INTRO: This is a local newspaper to my area (Pleasanton).
Some self appointed anti-OHV person is on a mission and is trying to shut down Carnegie's expansion. Remember Carnegie currently is ~1500 acres and has bought 3000 additional acres for future development (should have been completed years ago- but stagnates..). Why did Carnegie do this? Have you been there lately- it's too crowded and dangerous!! This lady is on a mission and must be educated about the OHV's community support for such expansion. She quotes "The OHV community must learn to live within its means" huh!! She has all the arguments lined up. She is dangerous. This is a system knowledgeable individual who can single-handedly alter needed progress. How anti-democratic is it when 1 individual can succeed in this kind of mischief!!
Here's the "Cut & Paste":
Group Envisions Tesla Park, Not Carnegie Vehicle Playground
Although the state intends to create an off-highway vehicle (OHV) park with 3000 acres it bought next to Carnegie motorcycle park, Celeste Garamendi is working hard to change those plans.
Garamendi, a Tracy resident whose husband owns a ranch near the park on Tesla Road, has formed Friends of Tesla Park. The organization is getting the word out to public agencies and conservation groups that an OHV park would disrupt sensitive habitat.
It’s a problem the state hasn’t addressed adequately in the first two EIRs it conducted for the property, said Garamendi. The third EIR attempt is expected to begin early this year, she said.
The Carnegie motorcycle park already permits some OHV use. With the expanded popularity of the vehicles, the state bought the adjacent land.
Allowing vehicles there will contribute to erosion and water run-off problems into Corral Hollow Creek, posing a threat to fish there. It would also ruin habitat for various endangered plants and such species as the red-legged and yellow-legged frogs, she said.
The state should come up with a bigger vision for the land, one which help build a corridor linking Mount Diablo with Mount Hamilton with trails and endangered species habitat. Species could then travel from one area to another. The land is also well situated to provide a nature corridor from the Bay Area to the Central Valley, said Garamendi. The state is in a perfect position to accomplish such a major green achievement, because it already owns the land, said Garamendi.
Asked about the needs of OHV enthusiasts for recreation in a growing California population, Garamendi said that the OHV community needs to live within its means, just as she does as a hiker. The federal government regulates the number of permits it issues to Sierra hikers. The state park system requires reservations at many of its campgrounds. The system doesn’t expand to meet everyone’s needs, she said.
As part of the drive to enlist conservation groups behind the idea, Garamendi appeared at a Sierra Club Tri-Valley Group meeting in December. Chapter president Janis Turner said the group is interested in saving natural habitat. The group’s executive committee declared its desire to “protect the cultural and environmentally sensitive areas of Tesla.” A meeting with the general membership showed strong concern.
Garamendi took contact information from members, and will let them know what action they can take. “A lot of people are willing to take action,” said Turner. Sierra Club members are also concerned about the historical aspects of the site, including Native American use that Garamendi discussed. “The Ohlone and other (tribes) used the area seasonally.”
Garamendi said that since the state purchased the land with vehicle-related revenue, the state’s argument is that the money should go to the OHV park. Garamendi’s response is that only 7 percent of the money represents fees from sticker sales for OHVs. The remainder is gas tax money, which is not specifically related to OHVs. There are plenty of other needs that the gas tax revenue could finance, she said.
HISTORY ELEMENT CITED AS VALUABLE
There is also a historical legacy to protect at Tesla.
Livermore’s official historian, Gary Drummond, said that the long-abandoned coal mines and the sites of the workers’ houses there “represent an economy we don’t have any more, except in West Virginia. Tesla and Black Diamond Mines (in northern Contra Costa County) are all worked out.”
The Tesla coal field was discovered by surveyors in the 1850s, and first exploited by a man named O’Brien, who hired 30 miners in 1863. It was a time when small-scale operations could make a go of it in a relatively small coal field. The Tesla mines closed in 1907 because of financial moves by owner John Treadwell.
A brick-manufacturing plant nearby closed in 1906, a victim of the major earthquake then. Left behind were such small villages as Harrietville, Jimtown, and Frytown, all named after people associated with the mining families. Those three towns combined to form a population of 102 people.
There were other settlements, such as Chinatown and Darktown. After the towns shut down, some of the buildings were moved, or torn apart for scrap lumber. The company’s flagpole wound up being used after 1913 by St. Michael’s Catholic Church in Livermore, where it stood in front of the rectory.
DRIVE WILL CONTINUE
Garamendi plans to continue organizing people, so that they will be able to comment during the public review of the EIR period. After that process, the issue eventually goes to a commission, which will make the final determination concerning the EIR certification.
The first EIR was completed in 2002, but not certified, said Garamendi. The second attempt at an EIR was withdrawn. Garamendi said that the EIR was never completed because the mitigation was “completely inadequate.”
Bob Williamson, who has worked on the project for the state, was on vacation and unavailable for comment regarding Garamendi’s remarks and the the project itself.
cheez
Master Of The Darkside
I watched the video of the Senate hearing and it was sickening watching them lie about the environmental impact the OHV use will have. "This is an important region for the migration of species in the Diablo Range" yup, sure is. OHV doesn't impact that. "This area needs environmental protection for all of the sensitive species in it!" Yup, OHV use can help ensure that protection. "This area has historical significance!" Ok, sure, folks can come visit the area in the OHV, we could add a hiking trail through the historically significant areas.
None of their objections actually address issues the park could cause.
https://www.senate.ca.gov/media-archive
Scroll down to September 11 Senate Natural Resources and Water Committee and click "Watch".
Edit: Apologies for the duplication, just realized Butch posted the link/etc. earlier.
None of their objections actually address issues the park could cause.
https://www.senate.ca.gov/media-archive
Scroll down to September 11 Senate Natural Resources and Water Committee and click "Watch".
Edit: Apologies for the duplication, just realized Butch posted the link/etc. earlier.
ThumperX
Well-known member
The only way to get this vetoed is to get the Governor's attention. Spread the word be loader than the opposition.
FWIW, in 2017 I joined a bunch of other OHV clubs and helped to plant trees and shrubs. These were replacements for vegitation lost to drought. Not one single person NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON from friends of Tesla Park showed up to help :wow
FWIW, in 2017 I joined a bunch of other OHV clubs and helped to plant trees and shrubs. These were replacements for vegitation lost to drought. Not one single person NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON from friends of Tesla Park showed up to help :wow
we have to be LOUDER than Celeste and her pals. They already have the legislators attention and they have drunk the koolaid.
Let's get loud, though in a very persistant way. Emails, snailmails, phone calls, faxes, letters, visits. You can bet Celeste and her pals are dong that. I don't think they have real jobs.
Please do what you can.
I found this
AB 1086 (Bauer-Kahan) – As Amended April 2, 2019
SUBJECT: Cannella Environmental Farming Act of 1995: State Water Efficiency and Enhancement Program
SUMMARY: Would provide guidance to the California Department of Food and Agriculture for the State Water Efficiency and Enhancement Program. Specifically, this bill:
1. Would require the California Department of Food and Agriculture (CDFA) to, upon appropriation by the Legislature, administer the State Water Efficiency and Enhancement Program (SWEEP).
2. Requires the grant program to provide financial assistance to agricultural operations to implement irrigation management systems that reduce greenhouse gases and...
AB 1086 (Bauer-Kahan) – As Amended April 2, 2019
SUBJECT: Cannella Environmental Farming Act of 1995: State Water Efficiency and Enhancement Program
SUMMARY: Would provide guidance to the California Department of Food and Agriculture for the State Water Efficiency and Enhancement Program. Specifically, this bill:
1. Would require the California Department of Food and Agriculture (CDFA) to, upon appropriation by the Legislature, administer the State Water Efficiency and Enhancement Program (SWEEP).
2. Requires the grant program to provide financial assistance to agricultural operations to implement irrigation management systems that reduce greenhouse gases and...
ThumperX
Well-known member
Here's a phone number AND a hit list if you are asked to expand on your opposition.
Please take action this is the only chance we have!!!!
PLEASE ASK FOR HIS VETO ON THIS BILL!
The Governor can act on this bill any time between NOW and Friday, October 13 (the last day the governor can sign or veto bills), so please CONTACT the Governor IMMEDIATELY!
Disenfranchising stakeholders by taking away recreation areas in this end run and tying this matter up in the courts is not the way to go!
The Governor’s Department of Finance got this right. Their analysis of SB 767 (Glazer), the basis of this current bill, opposes the bill because:
It may result in a significant loss to the state through the sale of property at less than fair market value
It is not consistent with the approved plan for this Recreation Area as developed by State Parks
Parks received ongoing resources beginning with the Budget Act of 2018 to implement environmental standards in OHV recreation areas and minimize the environmental impact of off-highway recreation.
Please contact Governor Newsom NOW and urge his VETO on AB 1086:
Mailing address:
Governor Gavin Newsom
1303 10th Street, Ste. 1173
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: 916-445-2841
FAX: 916-558-3160
E-Mail: https://govapps.gov.ca.gov/gov40mail/
THANK YOU! Please contact the Governor today!
Please take action this is the only chance we have!!!!
PLEASE ASK FOR HIS VETO ON THIS BILL!
The Governor can act on this bill any time between NOW and Friday, October 13 (the last day the governor can sign or veto bills), so please CONTACT the Governor IMMEDIATELY!
Disenfranchising stakeholders by taking away recreation areas in this end run and tying this matter up in the courts is not the way to go!
The Governor’s Department of Finance got this right. Their analysis of SB 767 (Glazer), the basis of this current bill, opposes the bill because:
It may result in a significant loss to the state through the sale of property at less than fair market value
It is not consistent with the approved plan for this Recreation Area as developed by State Parks
Parks received ongoing resources beginning with the Budget Act of 2018 to implement environmental standards in OHV recreation areas and minimize the environmental impact of off-highway recreation.
Please contact Governor Newsom NOW and urge his VETO on AB 1086:
Mailing address:
Governor Gavin Newsom
1303 10th Street, Ste. 1173
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: 916-445-2841
FAX: 916-558-3160
E-Mail: https://govapps.gov.ca.gov/gov40mail/
THANK YOU! Please contact the Governor today!
ThumperX
Well-known member
:thumbup
have the number programmed.
FWIW, Carnegie had to close almost half of the park due to a fire in July. The Facebook page is full of a lot of complainers
Wonder what they'll do when they lose even more. :rant