May 31 Carnegie Substantive Comments Project by CORVA

Butch

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Staff member
HELP!!!
As you guys have heard, the Carnegie State Vehicular Recreation Area (SVRA) Preliminary General Plan and Environmental Impact Report for the Tesla Expansion has been released for public comment.
This is the plan for continuation of operations for the existing area of Carnegie SVRA, along with a plan for the future development for OHV use of the Tesla expansion. Comments are now due June 29th.

There are vocal opponents us riding dirtbikes that want to take away our riding areas that we need everyone’s participation to stand up against.

Why: Carnegie's General Plan update was combined with an Environmental Impact Review for the Tesla Expansion. The Environmental Impact Review is the document that is most under attack, because the use of the existing Carnegie footprint remains the same.
The Environmental Impact Review in this case is an overview - it is general in nature because it is not site specific. That allows the state the most flexibility for future plans, but also brings up the most questions because of its generality. For example - specifics regarding future trails in the expansion area in regards to endangered and threatened species will only be completely analyzed when future site-specific analyses undertaken. This has been the area where the opponents have gained the most political traction and have attacked the EIR by showing the worst possible conditions existing currently at Carnegie.

This General Plan and Environmental Impact Review WILL NOT avoid future legal challenges. They are CEQA (California Environmental Quality Act) documents, which almost guarantees that they will be challenged in court. Anything and everything in the document is open to legal challenge by opponents who have legal standing, i.e. have been involved in the process from the beginning and filed substantive comments. In most cases whether the opponents win or lose, their court costs are paid by the state. If they lose, only a portion of the costs are reimbursed; but if they prevail on any portion of the lawsuit their costs will be paid by the court. This money will come out of the budget of the OHV Division.

Who:
US: Everyone needs to be involved with this process. The state is receiving a lot of very critical and substantive comments from opponents to the plan.
CORVA, Cal4, AMA, BRC and Carnegie Forever will write substantive comments - that makes 4 -5 substantive comments. There are hundreds of us riders that could contribute hundreds more.

THEM: Friends of Tesla, Native Plant Society, Sierra Club, Native American groups, PEER, Karen Schaumbach, and a whole long list. Celeste Garamendi and Mark Connolly own the ranch adjacent to Carnegie and have been complaining about operations at Carnegie for years. Mark Connolly is an attorney himself, and affiliated environmental organizations have ample access to legal advice - that probally makes 50 substantive comments.

WHEN:
May 18th: The Livermore City Council meeting is tricky - the people who need to show up and speak at the City Council meeting must be Livermore residents. The City Council members are accountable only to their residents. There is no room for frustration or anger - and anyone who lives outside of Livermore should not speak. Showing up for support is okay, but please let the local residents take center stage.

May 31st: Comments Project

June 29th: Comments are due.

WHERE: CORVA is holding a Comments Project workshop on May 31st, at the La Quinta Inn Livermore. It will be an event, and everyone will leave the day with at least an outline written, if not their comments finished! They will be taking pictures of people and writing down their experiences with Carnegie to create a binder that can be given to politicians, Commissions and City Councils. This will be the opportunity for all the passion people have for Carnegie, and their stories about Carnegie, to be presented in a very meaningful manner. To counter the pictures of flora and fauna the opponents give out at every opportunity, we can showcase our best asset - our families, children and everyone who has had a positive meaningful experience at Carnegie.

The opponents are working with attorneys and will easily submit at least 50 -100 substantive comments. They will come from every environmental group possible. These people know how to pick apart a plan to set the stage for future legal action.

The opponents have advice from CEQA legal experts - now, so do we! Everyone is welcome; we will have music, balloons for the kids, and we're open to any other ideas.

We need everyone’s help with this. The stakes are big and we welcome everyone to work with us and walk figuratively together side by side to benefit the entire OHV community.

Please save the date. More to follow.
 
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Lunch Box

Useful idiot
Fricking Libmo City Council. :mad
Hopefully, the expansion will go through regardless of what they say. I'm not really sure why they have input into this in the first place. :dunno
 

Nemo Brinker

Tonight we ride
Thanks for the tips on the May 31st meeting. Good stuff. I intend to make some substantive commentary of my own.
 

Butch

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Staff member
I pulled this from the CORVA website

http://www.corva.org/Carnegie-SVRA-Expansion

What: The Carnegie SVRA Preliminary General Plan and Environmental Impact Report for the Tesla Expansion has been released for public comment. It is a programmatic document combining a continuation of operations for the existing footprint of Carnegie SVRA, along with a plan for the future development for OHV use of the Tesla expansion. Comments are now due June 29th. The extension was given because some documents related to the Habitat Management Surveys that were requested through a Public Records Act request by opponents of the plan were just recently released, and the state wanted to make sure they had enough time to examine and review these documents so a court wouldn't feel that the state rushed the comment period.

Why: Many of the SVRAs are redoing their General Plans, because General Plans should be updated every 10-15 years, and most of the existing General Plans were considerably older. Carnegie's General Plan update was combined with an Environmental Impact Review for the Tesla Expansion. An Environmental Impact Review (EIR) is required whenever there is a substantial on-the-ground development change proposed. The Environmental Impact Review is the document that is most under attack, because the use of the existing Carnegie footprint remains the same.

The Environmental Impact Review in this case is an overview - it is general in nature because it is programmatic, meaning it is not site specific. That allows the state the most flexibility for future plans, but also brings up the most questions because of it's generality. For example - specifics regarding future trails in the expansion area in regards to endangered and threatened species will only be completely analyzed when future site-specific analyses undertaken. This has been the area where the opponents have gained the most political traction have attacked the EIR by showing the worst possible conditions existing currently at Carnegie. Truth is, conditions in regards to species at Carnegie SVRA are excellent - the state has shown increases in all the important indicator species. The staff at Carnegie has done an amazing job, and every measurable environmental condition has seen excellent improvements from years past.

This General Plan and Environmental Impact Review WILL NOT avoid future legal challenges. They are CEQA (California Environmental Quality Act) documents, which almost guarantees that they will be challenged in court. Anything and everything in the document is open to legal challenge by opponents who have legal standing, i.e. have been involved in the process from the beginning and filed substantive comments. In most cases whether the opponents win or lose, their court costs are paid by the state. If they lose, only a portion of the costs are reimbursed; but if they prevail on any portion of the lawsuit their costs will be paid by the state. This money will come out of the budget of the OHV Division.

Who:

US: Everyone needs to be involved with this process. The state is receiving a lot of very critical and substantive comments from opponents to the plan. That means the OHV Community needs to balance the scale. Form letters and letter generators will not balance the scale because they are basically repeating the same thing over and over, and are counted, but not considered. Substantive comments can be crafted from emotional statements like "I support this plan" but it takes quoting a section of the plan, or commenting on a particular element of the plan. Mentioning a particular paragraph or aspect of the plan as written in the EIR helps to focus the comment and make it substantive.

We are positive that CORVA, Cal4, AMA and BRC will write substantive comments - that makes 4 -5 substantive comments. The opponents are working with attorneys and will easily submit at least 50 -100 substantive comments. They will come from every environmental group possible. These people know how to pick apart a plan to set the stage for future legal action.

THEM: Friends of Tesla, Native Plant Society, Sierra Club, Native American groups, PEER, Karen Schaumbach, and a whole long list. Celeste Garamendi and Mark Connolly own the ranch adjacent to Carnegie and have been complaining about operations at Carnegie for years. Mark Connolly is an attorney himself, and affiliated environmental organizations have ample access to legal advice.

WHEN: May 18th: The Livermore City Council meeting: this is tricky - the people who need to show up and speak at the City Council meeting must be Livermore residents. The City Council members are accountable only to their residents. There is no room for frustration or anger - and anyone who lives outside of Livermore should not speak. Showing up for support is okay, but please let the local residents take center stage. CORVA will be in the parking lot before the Livermore City Council meeting handing out goodies, stickers and taking pictures and testimony to add to our binder

June 29th: Comments are due.

May 31st: Comments Project at La Quinta Inn, Livermore. We'll be there at 9:00am, come when you can!

WHERE: CORVA is holding a Comments Project workshop on May 31st, at the La Quinta Inn Livermore. It will be an event, and everyone will leave the day with at least an outline written, if not their comments finished! We will be taking pictures of people and writing down their experiences with Carnegie to create a binder that can be given to politicians, Commissions and City Councils. This will be the opportunity for all the passion people have for Carnegie, and their stories about Carnegie, to be presented in a very meaningful manner. To counter the pictures of flora and fauna the opponents give out at every opportunity, we can showcase our best asset - our families, children and everyone who has had a positive meaningful experience at Carnegie.

With the help and advice of an attorney we will be targeting the best statements to make to support the expansion at Carnegie. The opponents have advice from CEQA legal experts - now, so do we! Everyone is welcome; we will have music, balloons for the kids, and we're open to any other ideas.

The important part is for everyone to work together. The stakes are big and we welcome everyone to work with us and walk figuratively together side by side to benefit the entire OHV community.

"Protecting off-road recreation for future generations, promoting off-road access for everyone"
 
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Butch

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Staff member
THE CARNEGIE SVRA COMMENTS PROJECT WORKSHOP
MAY 31, 2015 9:00AM – 4:00PM
LA QUINTA INN
7700 SOUTHFRONT LIVERMORE, CALIFORNIA 94550
Help the CARNEGIE SVRA Expansion
We welcome everyone to come for a day of fun and education. – enjoy learning about making a difference while learning how to make a difference and support your favorite SVRA!
We’ll be taking pictures and taking testimony of kids and adults who have enjoyed Carnegie SVRA for years – come tell us your stories!
For more information: info@corva.org
 

Butch

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Staff member
This just in:
Carnegie Forever Critical Update
1. Remember you can still make an impact on the approval of the new Carnegie Master Plan which includes the approval of and opening the new Alameda-Tesla Expansion west of the current park lands. Go on the link below and pass this on to your friends. We must get “votes” on the comment page to help the Off Highway Division of State Parks. Register your approval for the plan at:
http://carnegiegeneralplan.com/DEIR-comments

2. Our friends and supporters at CORVA – California Off-Road Vehicle Association and Moto Mart will sponsor a Comments Workshop to help Carnegie Supporters better craft comments on the new General Plan. Date is Sunday May 31st at 9:00 am at the La Quinta Motor Inn, 7700 Frontage Road, Livermore. Info Diana @ 925.639.4581 – www.corva.org

3. The Livermore City Council Meeting about Carnegie on May 18th was a sham. Three of the 5 council members had been groomed to vote against us. After the 3-2 vote against Carnegie expansion, one member said he had never seen such bias in 20 years of Livermore politics.

4. KNOW YOUR OPPONENT: http://www.teslapark.org/
It takes 5 minutes to get on the website link above (Item #1) and register your approval of the Carnegie Master Plan. Use this simple solution to have your voices heard. Our opponents will be doing the same. We have to win!

Dave Duffin, Carnegie Forever
 

Butch

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Staff member
And more, lifted from SBR:
http://www.contracostatimes.com/bre...ouncil-votes-oppose-controversial-plan-expand

Divided Livermore City Council opposes plan to expand Carnegie off-highway park
By Jeremy Thomas jethomas@bayareanewsgroup.com
Posted: 05/19/2015 06:46:14 AM PDT2 Comments
Updated: 05/19/2015 01:22:28 PM PDT
LIVERMORE -- With a contentious 3-2 vote, the Livermore City Council on Monday decided to oppose the state's proposed expansion of the Carnegie State Vehicular Recreation Area.

Councilmembers Laureen Turner, Steven Spedowfski and Bob Woerner agreed to send a letter to California State Parks stating the city's stance against the 3,400-acre expansion of the off-highway park into Corral Hollow, an undeveloped area adjacent the park's current boundaries.

"At the end of the day it's the responsibility of the City Council to protect what is important to our community," said Turner. "We have a policy of protecting open space in Livermore, and though this is on our outskirts, it absolutely does impact (our residents)."

Mayor John Marchand and Councilman Stewart Gary voted against issuing the letter, citing the city's lack of authority over the land. The decision especially struck a nerve with Gary, who said he would submit his own letter to the state's Off-Highway Vehicle Commission protesting the vote. He also encouraged off-road advocates to look at campaign contributions and file public records requests for communications between expansion opponents and council members who voted against it.

"I'm disappointed to say in my 21 years in Livermore, politics has sunk to an all-time low," Gary said. "This was a stacked deck from day one and I'll be conveying that to the (commission)."

Marchand, who said he received hundreds of emails regarding the proposal, said he felt it was more appropriate for agencies that do have control over the area to take a stance. Ultimately, he said, the city's opposition probably won't do anything to sway the state.

"The city of Livermore certainly can comment on the EIR, and I did support staff doing just that," Marchand said. "It's not that I don't support the preservation of open space, absolutely I do. But this came down to jurisdiction and authority."

State Parks released the draft environmental impact report and preliminary General Plan for the expansion on April 23. Besides noting the city's position and those of Alameda County, the Livermore Area Recreation and Park District and the East Bay Regional Park District, Livermore's letter will ask the state for clarifications and modifications to the existing documents.
Environmental groups such as the Friends of Tesla Park urged council members to examine the project for possible impacts to the city from traffic and noise, as well as environmental concerns. The park lies off Corral Hollow Road, a two-lane road often used by commuters traveling between Livermore and the San Joaquin Valley as an alternative to Interstate 580.

A crowd of at least 250 off-highway riders, environmentalists and concerned residents packed council chambers and an overflow building for the special hearing. Nearly 40 speakers addressed the council, with a slight majority urging the council to oppose the state's plan.

Many speakers denounced the draft environmental impact report as deficient and disputed its findings, asking the council to reinforce policies in its General Plan aimed at protecting the Corral Hollow-Tesla area.

"I know firsthand the reality of the devastation at Carnegie and the absolute beauty and treasure that the expansion area, which we call the Tesla parkland, holds," said Friends of Tesla Park co-founder Celeste Garamendi, who owns a ranch bordering the existing Carnegie. "Not only does (the expansion) not preserve the Corral Hollow area, it creates significant environmental impacts."

Livermore resident Kathleen Noonan, who lives within walking distance of the expansion area on Tesla Road, said she would probably have to move if the project comes to fruition.

"We'll be able to see the scars on the hills from downtown Livermore," Noonan said.

Off-highway vehicle riders, who attended the meeting in droves, said they need more room to accommodate the increasing popularity of the pastime. Carnegie is one of only eight California state parks that allows off-highway vehicle use, the nearest being 80 miles away near Hollister.

"People come from all over California to ride (Carnegie) because it's a pretty epic place," said Livermore resident and off-highway enthusiast Michele Wright. "All we want is one place that is set aside and already purchased for us to expand ... Carnegie is good for Livermore and a bigger Carnegie is better for Livermore."

David Pickett, a spokesperson for the District 36 Motorcycle Sports Committee, said he represented thousands of riders in the area and urged the council to support the expansion.

"The positive socio-economic impact to this community is proven going back 50 years," Pickett said. "These folks have been waiting a long time for this."

The public comment period on the two documents ends on June 29.
 

Butch

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Staff member
You guys did a tremendous job with the Clear Creek substantive comments. I hope we can do the same here.
Celeste Garimendi seems to be able to rally more folks than we can, and you can bet they will generate a lot of substantive comments.

My guess is Garamendi and her pals (her husband is a lawyer) will create every legal obstacle they can in the coming years. We need to have submitted a comment specifically addressing the issues Garamendi and company raise so we have legal standing to debate the validity of objections raised by Garamendi etcetera, ie, the OHV Haters.

I think. I am working on figuring out how this works. That is what Sunday is for.
Please join us at LaQuinta and help defeat the OHV Haters. The inn is just east of Vasco Rd on the south side of 580.
 
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Butch

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Staff member
More!

I'm thinking what Garamendi and here pals are trying to do right now is generate so much political noise (is her brother attorney general?) that States Parks would be pressured to do something to appease the haters.

I think they (OHVMRD?) have no really obligation to respond to the Tesla Park Nuts or the Liverwurst city council. Remember the BLM made their Clear Creek decision with absolutely no regard for public opinion.
I think this may be a lot of posturing. We should make as big a ruckus as the haters.

Please remember, this is probably just a bunch of pounding chests.
Real challenges will be in the future fighting injunctions as our trails are developed.

The fun is starting now.

C ya tomorrow.
 

Butch

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Staff member
If anyone can make by they are there till 4. The CORVA folks are great. I also met Randy from the state parks OHV division...
 
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