louemc
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Hidden Hazards
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louemc
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:thumbup I have a gift, Remember when We crested Ebbetts Pass, right after a storm cell had dumped standing water, and I had a bald rear tire?
PlaneGray asked if I was sliding around (leading the group) I said...Not a Bit. :afm199
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louemc
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It won't happen again, it only happened that time because Bike tire replacement, Up here is a study in everything going wrong/frustrating.
ThumperX PM'd me, Said something about hooking up... Here I am with Way (but evenly worn across the profile, cause we have corners up here) Rear tire..
Gotta go with what I got.... And... I wasn't sliding around in that standing water, On Ebbetts Pass....(note that.) :teeth
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DataDan
Mama says he's bona fide
In this video, the motorcyclist's right of way was clearly violated by the driver turning left from the driveway on the left. To make matters worse, the driver left the scene but was identified and arrested a few days later:
Notice the view obstruction, the pickup coming to a stop in the oncoming lane. At a crucial point in his approach, the rider's view to the threat crossing from his left was blocked. By the time his view opened up, it was too late for anything but emergency braking.
Here is the rider's POV:
Notice the view obstruction, the pickup coming to a stop in the oncoming lane. At a crucial point in his approach, the rider's view to the threat crossing from his left was blocked. By the time his view opened up, it was too late for anything but emergency braking.
Here is the rider's POV:
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louemc
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Better remove me from 1Rider... Cause I like how my brain works as I ride.
Not changing to a way that doesn't work so well, to please those that don't understand.
DataDan
Mama says he's bona fide
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Because he never reads the threads he posts in, he never quite gets what the discussion is about.
And thanks to the gift of senile dementia, he doesn't remember that he's already posted in the same thread a half-dozen times before--missing the mark every time.
So Lou, can you please help me better understand what Lou's strategy for this scenario would have been.
I can point out the easy that the rider locked up their brakes and lost control. But what is it from this video you would have done different so that that car turning left didn't turn left or wasn't there.
I understand you are Lou the Magnificent, and I'm Eric the Pretty Darn Good, so please, help me up my level to Damn Good.
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dowlinginchico
Home Wrecker
Install a Scotts damper maybe?
GAJ
Well-known member
Didn't you almost get taken out by a deer that, luckily, jumped OVER your head while riding?
But maybe it wasn't a "hidden hazard" in your mind and it was YOUR skill that saved you rather than the deer's skill.
hey guys, not to be disrespectful to you guys, but this thread is not about Lou or our thoughts about Lou. I am seriously trying to get an answer from him regarding this accident. He does have many skills which he has acquired over the years. I just want to hear which skill he would have utilized in this last scenario.
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GAJ
Well-known member
The standard answer would be front brake and swerve.
The rider actually was able to swerve (albeit far too much with locked rear) and not make contact with the vehicle so a shallower swerve might indeed have worked...especially on a sportbike.
It almost looked like the rider did the old "lay her down" technique.
The rider actually was able to swerve (albeit far too much with locked rear) and not make contact with the vehicle so a shallower swerve might indeed have worked...especially on a sportbike.
It almost looked like the rider did the old "lay her down" technique.
danate
#hot4beks
What it looked like to me was he had excessive speed trying to make the yellow light. When he saw the car, he then panic braked and slammed on the rear, causing a slide. That was not a controlled maneuver. Then he stayed on the rear brake all the way until the bike lowsided and he ran off the road.
I agree that proper maximum braking and a swerve towards the shoulder could have avoided making contact with the car and would not have ended up with him on the ground.
However, on the topic at hand, his first error in judgement was going through the intersection at that speed, especially with his view obstructed by the truck stopped at the light.
DataDan
Mama says he's bona fide
In the OP, I include this example:
In his thread France; Passing Blindly, NeilInPacifica links to video of a very nasty crash of this kind.
Impatience may tempt you to make a quick swerve to avoid a slowdown in your lane, but don't give in to the urge. If you're behind a vehicle you can't see over, around, or through, use following distance and lane position to open your view into the destination lane before making the move.
I call this a "blind-merge rear-ender". Though a description of the view obstruction seldom appears in news accounts, I suspect this situation is fairly common in otherwise inexplicable rear-enders.
In his thread France; Passing Blindly, NeilInPacifica links to video of a very nasty crash of this kind.
Impatience may tempt you to make a quick swerve to avoid a slowdown in your lane, but don't give in to the urge. If you're behind a vehicle you can't see over, around, or through, use following distance and lane position to open your view into the destination lane before making the move.
Ron George
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In my view the rider was only partially culpable, as typically any vehicle making a left turn must make sure the roadway is clear to make that turn,in this instance the car driver was primarily the cause of the incident.He did not have a clear view of the road traffic coming from his right.
The rider was not using enough caution when approaching the intersection and traveling too fast trying to make the light.Don't be in a hurry while riding as this can cause accidents too as you are not properly taking care to anticipate what is ahead of you.
The riders lane positioning was poor,riding right down the middle of the lane,(grime.oil,debris) when he went to hit the brakes any resulting lockup over the poorest part of the road surface will be magnified.The fact that he still had the shoulder to easily manuever past the car and instead he locked it up,tells me his attention was elsewhere and it was a panic stop.Anticipate the worst when going thru intersections and don't speed.
The best defense while riding is to always be thinking ahead, and remember a riders greatest strength is avoidance & to ride accordingly.Had he been riding in the upper half of his lane he would have had captured more of the other drivers visibility from both sides of the street and perhaps spotted the left turn driver earlier and braked sooner.
It has saved my skin quite a few times,and I highly recommend any rider to always stay visible as much as possible,and if dayglo orange safety vest is your thing more power to you.
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( a little background on me riding for over 30 years in one of the worst areas to drive in the world due to all the tourista's who drive like crap anyone who does the commute over the bay bridge everyday knows what I am talking about.)
The rider was not using enough caution when approaching the intersection and traveling too fast trying to make the light.Don't be in a hurry while riding as this can cause accidents too as you are not properly taking care to anticipate what is ahead of you.
The riders lane positioning was poor,riding right down the middle of the lane,(grime.oil,debris) when he went to hit the brakes any resulting lockup over the poorest part of the road surface will be magnified.The fact that he still had the shoulder to easily manuever past the car and instead he locked it up,tells me his attention was elsewhere and it was a panic stop.Anticipate the worst when going thru intersections and don't speed.
The best defense while riding is to always be thinking ahead, and remember a riders greatest strength is avoidance & to ride accordingly.Had he been riding in the upper half of his lane he would have had captured more of the other drivers visibility from both sides of the street and perhaps spotted the left turn driver earlier and braked sooner.
It has saved my skin quite a few times,and I highly recommend any rider to always stay visible as much as possible,and if dayglo orange safety vest is your thing more power to you.
edited in response to latindanes input
( a little background on me riding for over 30 years in one of the worst areas to drive in the world due to all the tourista's who drive like crap anyone who does the commute over the bay bridge everyday knows what I am talking about.)
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latindane
Learner. EuroPW, NaPS
"At fault" has little to no bearing with the purpose of the 1Rider subforum:
IMO, removing the "at fault" track of thinking when you reflect on tactics to keep yourself (and others) safe is wise. Complacency in traffic laws and the expectation that others will dutifully abide by them works against that objective.
Or, as the OP eloquently put it:
Agree on thinking ahead. Increasing the likelihood of seeing and being seen is obviously a good idea, but the main point in the thread remains: don't assume that hazards are not there simply because you cannot see them right now. Anticipate that a truck may be concealing a left-turner, that a car may be partially on your lane just beyond your view of that blind right curve, that a maintenance truck is parked on the right lane which you cannot see behind the box truck you are in such a hurry to overtake...