Be careful how you option that new car
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KnifeySpoony
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TheRobSJ
Großer Mechaniker
Couldn’t agree more. There have been a handful of times the back end of my car has violently wanted to step out unexpectedly under heavy acceleration. The stability control reeled it right in every time. Pretty sure without stability control that car wouldn’t be still be in the garage and I’d still have shockingly low insurance premiums.
GAJ
Well-known member
While the ABS on the one and only moto I bought absolutely sucked and I treaded it in for the exact same model without it, I've never had one issue with auto ABS though my personal car doesn't have it.
It certainly doesn't have stability control other than having low power and excellent handling/balance.
Just put EBC Yellow Stuff brake pads on that car and they are a revelation.
My wife's last two cars had stability control and I have zero idea if it has ever come into play as it is so seamless but certainly the traction control on her FWD sedan made its presence known on a few occasions and it worked as advertised.
Agent Orange
The b0y ninja
What about ABS on motorcycles? Almost seems silly not to have them if you do alot of street riding.
It's gotten better, but IME, horrible stuff on motorcycles. I say that from my riding perspective: performance. ABS will likely help riders in the wet for sure, but I don't ride in the wet anyway. If a rider is locking the front tire more than a few times in their life (on the street), then I chalk that up to a skills deficit. I say that, respectfully.
My experience(s) with ABS on the track are all about "turn that shit off". Some bikes are much better than others, but once race tires are fitted and front grip increases, the limit of the systems can be reached. Case in point: Yamaha R1: when the rear tire leaves the ground, the system lets the front brake lever out. On the 2020's, the lever get mushier. Either way, the braking distances increase and the closing rate to those in front decreases. It's shit-your-pants stuff in some of the braking zones if the ABS decides to "help ya" out. i also don't like not being able to lock the rear brakes if I leave the tarmac. Bikes that allow the system to be turned off rule. That's all I ask for...
IME...
Blankpage
alien
First time I had ABS kick in on a bike it was caused by braking hard for a stopped car in front while passing over a greasy road slick that appeared out of nowhere. May or may not have gone down without the ABS but at that moment I was thinking it was cool option.
I now set it to one of the lowest setting so it can do its thing without being too intrusive.
I now set it to one of the lowest setting so it can do its thing without being too intrusive.
JesasaurusRex
Deleted User
As someone that didn't care for abs with limited miles riding a bike with one, now that I've got a good set of miles on an abs bike I swear by it.
Euro bike though, seems all the people that continue to frown on abs ride jap bikes
Euro bike though, seems all the people that continue to frown on abs ride jap bikes
DataDan
Mama says he's bona fide
For most riders, motorcycle ABS does not affect braking distance and has the incredibly valuable effect of preventing lockup and crashing. Call it a skills deficit if you like, but most riders are not able to brake at a bike's maximum capability--and especially not in an OMFG emergency when it really counts.
Motorcycle ABS prevents crashes and saves lives.
"Jap"? Really?
Just give me a button to turn it off. The second the wheel speeds don't match, braking distances increase. That's not optimum. If less experienced riders grab a fistful of brakes, I'm sure ABS is kicking in. I question (highly) if that's due to front tire slip (which isn't that common) or lifting the rear tire. However, the linked systems are indeed, safer and with shorter distances. ABS with a linked system for most riders is better than no ABS.
Just give me that "off" button....
JesasaurusRex
Deleted User
If that's derogatory I apologize, thought that was pretty standard lingo for japanese manufactured motos.
My take on ABS and this is for the street, not the track*.
Raced flat track and enduros 40 -50 years ago. I know what to do when a bike starts sliding. BUT at 70 I know my reactions are not what there once were. (Damn that hurts to type). Have had ABS bikes for over 10 years now. May have saved my ass twice that I know of, probably a couple I don't know of. Really do not want to own a bike without ABS on the street.
*Racing on the track take that shit off.
Raced flat track and enduros 40 -50 years ago. I know what to do when a bike starts sliding. BUT at 70 I know my reactions are not what there once were. (Damn that hurts to type). Have had ABS bikes for over 10 years now. May have saved my ass twice that I know of, probably a couple I don't know of. Really do not want to own a bike without ABS on the street.
*Racing on the track take that shit off.
nakedape
Well-known member
Doesn’t have quite the same ring as UJM. Substitute a different slur like dago/wop bike for Ducati. See? It sounds bad. But your sig lines are straight up misogyny T Rex! Shit like that (and Byke’s FREE HANDJOBS) in sig lines are why I can’t browse barf at work. :thumbdown
FYI: Users are able to switch off (the ability to see)other users signatures.
TheRobSJ
Großer Mechaniker
We keep talking about abs on bikes, and it may bring lou out of exile.
I had it on my last two bikes. Both Harleys so the track argument doesn’t matter there. Felt it kick in a couple times on the V-Rod which is amazing that I could lock up a 240 rear. It was probably being too aggressive. Honestly I don’t think I’d have cared if the bike didn’t have it. I had it on my Electra Glide which had linked brakes. Now for that? I’m totally fine with ABS. Since there’s no way to independently brake each wheel.
I had it on my last two bikes. Both Harleys so the track argument doesn’t matter there. Felt it kick in a couple times on the V-Rod which is amazing that I could lock up a 240 rear. It was probably being too aggressive. Honestly I don’t think I’d have cared if the bike didn’t have it. I had it on my Electra Glide which had linked brakes. Now for that? I’m totally fine with ABS. Since there’s no way to independently brake each wheel.
Eldritch
is insensitive
Wait. Is that not what we are supposed to call Ducatis?
DAMN IT!!
I need to go get a handy from Byke and think about this shit.
NorCalAthlete
O_o
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars-driving/which-car-brands-make-the-best-vehicles/
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/18/mazda-bmw-subaru-top-consumer-reports-2021-brand-report-card.html
Top 5 Brands for new cars :
1. Mazda
2. BMW
3. Subaru
4. Porsche
5. Honda
Scores based on predicted reliability, owner satisfaction, road test score.
I'm honestly surprised that BMW and Porsche are ranked higher than Honda, Toyota, Acura, etc when it comes to expected reliability.
If you sort by just road test scores, it looks like the top spots go to:
1. Porsche (88)
2. Audi (88)
3. Tesla (88)
4. BMW (87)
5. Subaru (87)
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/18/mazda-bmw-subaru-top-consumer-reports-2021-brand-report-card.html
Top 5 Brands for new cars :
1. Mazda
2. BMW
3. Subaru
4. Porsche
5. Honda
Scores based on predicted reliability, owner satisfaction, road test score.
I'm honestly surprised that BMW and Porsche are ranked higher than Honda, Toyota, Acura, etc when it comes to expected reliability.
If you sort by just road test scores, it looks like the top spots go to:
1. Porsche (88)
2. Audi (88)
3. Tesla (88)
4. BMW (87)
5. Subaru (87)
Ogg
Oggito ergo sum
Re: ABS...
If I recall correctly, "shorter stopping distance" is not, and never was, the objective or promise of ABS. ABS maintains control. The magic of ABS isn't "stomp on the brakes without skids", it's "stomp on the brakes and turn the wheel to evade something without skids".
If I recall correctly, "shorter stopping distance" is not, and never was, the objective or promise of ABS. ABS maintains control. The magic of ABS isn't "stomp on the brakes without skids", it's "stomp on the brakes and turn the wheel to evade something without skids".
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Eldritch
is insensitive
Why? This isn't a reliability score. It factors in road performance and owner enjoyment, so even if you get a known reliability turd like Tesla, it ranks high because people love their high density Smug Emitter it is equipped with and it is a ton of fun to drive.
I'm more interested in the survey of these vehicles 3 years after the warranty has expired.